X-bit labs

Started by: dan2097 | Date 08/21/04

Comments: 47 | Last Comment:  11/26/07

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1. Would you be able to elaborate a bit more on your testing methodology?

Specifically did you use control panel af or application af? Also I expect you used trilinear optimizations on the Nvidia cards right? Did you also use anisotropic filtering optimizations?

Im doing a bit of investigation to try and find out why sites are coming out with such different results

Dan2097 (Futuremark forum)

We set application preference in control panels of ATI and NVIDIA drivers and set full-scene antialiasing and anisotropic filtering settings using in-game panel. Each demo was run three times to ensure "stable" fps, as the first demo run typically provides incorrect results.
We enabled anisotropic and trilinear filtering optimizations for the GeForce-based graphics cards, just like we do starting from April, 2004.
In fact, we advice you not to compare results of different web-sites, as different web-sites use different demos.

2. Anton thanks a lot for the quick reply. Im havnt really looked at your custom benchmarked cs source benchmarks as as you say you can directly compare to other sites. I think the status of anistropic filtering optimizations could be the key to the differences between reviews as many sites probably use the default setting of anisotropic filtering optimizations off.

From a chat with someone in a 6800 when anisotropic filtering optimizations are enabled you get bilinear on texture stages 1-7 regardless of whether af is forced through the control panel or done by application preference. This should be reproducable under d3d af tester. ATIs on the other hand is undisablable but only acts when af is forced from the control panel.

My current opinion on this is possibly Nvidias anisotropic optimizations should only actually be enabled when doing comparisons using control panel af.

Does the X800 pro lead the 6800GT or do they ~tie when the 6800GT does no have anisotropic optimizations? However as you say and I tend to agree there is no difference between the x800s and 6800s image quality with anisoptopic optimiaztions on, thus even if I am correct there is a strong case for your comparison despite the possibly unequal workloads.

Also a bit unrelated, but do the gffxs actually get FSAA in cs source/the stress test. Techreport claimed they didnt :-S

Try changing the name of the .exe file to see if we have application spefic optimizations yet.

Since the game is launched via Steam software, you cannot just change the name of .exe file. Furthermore, we typically don't tend to disable those app-specific optimizations - no real gamer would do it anyway.

Generally, we compare with those anisotropic and trilinear optimizations enabled, especially keeping in mind that image quality is more or less equal in such case. We cannot just disable or enable optimizations for different games across the whole range of our benchmarks unless there are no substantial IQ problems with certain game.

We posted an update with more thorough image quality comparison with FSAA. GeForce FX does enable FSAA and runs great with it. We see no problems here.

3. nice test, but what about the users NOT owning such an awesome system? its clear that css and hl2 will run fine on a system like amd64 3400+, 6800 or x800 card, 1GB LL-RAM...

what about systems like amd 2500+, geforce4ti or radeon 9500, 512MB RAM???

You should probably wait for upcoming reviews to get more Counter Strike: Source scores.

4. Is the 5950 using the full DX9 codepath or a mixed mode? and could you do some benchmarks of lower end hardware? :
Gefoce 4 TI
Radeon 8500/9200/9000
9600/9500
Athlon XP 2500/3200
Pentium 4 2.4ghz/2.8ghz
512 RAM

We added scores of mainstream boards like GeForce 5600 Ultra and RADEON 9600 PRO into the comparison. As for typical system, the game runs well on Pentium 4 2.40C, 1GB of dual-channel PC3200 memory, i875P mainboard, RADEON X800 PRO graphics card in 1280x1024. But since there is no AI in Counter Strike: Source, I hardly think any CPU comparison is needed.

5. i noticed on some of the test's you had af set 8/16
which card's were running 8x af and which were running 16x?

NVIDIA’s old-generation GeForce FX cards can only produce anisotropic filtering 8x, whereas ATI’s boards and NVIDIA’s new products produce AF 16x. So, we tested the FX parts with 8x anisotropy and ATI’s as well as 6800 parts with 16x anisotropy.

6. I thought NVIDIA optimizations where already gone?
If they don’t (or you didn’t disable them) why you didn’t you enabled performance mode on Ati 9x00 that would give much the same image quality of NVIDIA, but even that is not enough....

It’s not CORRECT that you put all the cards in the same chart if there are different render paths. You should have forced somehow all to render DX9 or used different color in charts or spare them.

We compare boards with anisotropic and trilinear optimizations enabled, especially keeping in mind that image quality is more or less equal in such case, which you can investigate yourself in image quality section of the article. By contrast, ATI's performance mode disables trilinear filtering at all and uses different anisotropic filtering approach, the one that we all saw with the R200/RV250 chips.

Since we stress that the GeForce FX uses either DX8.1 or DX8.0 rendering paths in the text, we believe it is correct to put them into the same charts with DX9 boards. End-users and readers would probably prefer to compare performance of all cards in the same diagram rather than jumping from one chart to another.

7. i have graphics cards GeForce FX 5200 128 . will Counter Strike: l Source run good on my pc yes or no ? what fps will i get on my pc.

8. Hey when is that new game of couter-strike comeing out because cyber-storm the manager showed me this and it was so cool when well you release it i want it so bad it is so cool can i get a free copy of it on my computer its the coolest

9. plz send me a copy

10. esta mortallll

11. You guys showed the 9600XT, but don't say whether it is the 128 or 256 MB card.
I've got the higher one, so hopefully may get more power than what you're showing (if this is for the 128MB card).

12. noooo

13. I NEED THIS GAME PLISE

14. i think counter strike source is the best game ever played . the grafics are great and the weapons are exalent . ive bought 70 games all together in my life and that game inclusing coundition zero are the best game ever . id give both of those games 10 /10 .

15. the game is the best but can i get a demo on my cumputer without the c-d from travis

16. eu quero saber com faz para trocar a posição da arma do lado esquerdo (left hand) para o lado direito (right hand) ?????

o meu jogo é COUNTER STRIKE 1.6

17. i hate this game it sucks none should even ever try thsi low graffic game

18. goog graffics but shitty story mode

19. I think that Counter Strike Souce owns Joint Ops Escalation and Black Hawk Down!The graphics kick ass and the weapons rock,its hell of betta then the first!

20. I am having trouble to see the images, they do not show here. All images where should shown fps comparison.


NAO CONSIGO VER NADA!.. as imagens sumiram eheh

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