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AMD Raises the Bar: AMD Athlon 64 FX-55 and AMD Athlon 64 4000+ CPUs Review

Started by: mavalpha | Date 10/19/04 12:29:24 AM
Comments: 29 | Last Comment:  08/25/06 11:53:15 AM

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Of the 4000+: "Moreover, its rating seems to us a bit too high, because its advantage over Athlon 64 3800+ is only 1-3%."
Bearing in mind that the only difference between the two is the extra L2 cache, can this be an indicator that we have already reached the point at which extra cache doesn't help Athlon64 performance? It seems to make sense, since AMD has been pushing for its transition from Clawhammer to Newcastle- I guess they realized from fairly early on that extra MHz would improve performance more significantly than extra cache. Along similar lines, compare the performance deltas between 3800/4000 (extra cache, same speed) & 4000/FX55 (same cache, extra speed); in the majority of benchmarks, the latter jump yields a higher gain than the former. Another commendation for AMD engineers!
[Posted by: mavalpha  | Date: 10/19/04 12:29:24 AM]
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More cache does not matter very much for the Athlon architecture, for example the Tbread vs Barton, the integrated memory controller have nothing to do with this.

But keep in mind that the 3800+ does not use the same core of the 4000+ (i think).
[Posted by: I  | Date: 10/19/04 02:47:05 AM]
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Exactly, the Athlon/A64/Pentium III and Pentium-M all, don't benefit that much from increased cache as P4. (Recall K7 line is a improved K8 line with AMD64 capability and some other major improvements, while the Pentium-M is basically a descendent of the Pentium III).

I am curious as to who would spend $$$ on an FX or an EE CPU.
[Posted by: B  | Date: 10/19/04 03:36:25 AM]
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> and in general tests Pentium 4 is ahead more frequently.

It's funny how much weight the reviewers are putting onto the synthetic bmarks. While some of them can be fun to watch (at least for the first round) there's nothing you can do with them.

If you take a closer look to actual application performance the 'aheadness' is definately in the another direction.
[Posted by: Nipsu  | Date: 10/19/04 11:01:34 AM]
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1. TDP value is missinterpeted.

2. difference between 3800+ and 4000+ is plenty enough, and was a good judgement by amd. for people who dont get it .... 200 increase on 3800 is ? and the difference is ? indeed so. (also take into count that when you calculate the difference its still the ideal situation, and we are still talking about the p4)

3. i dont get it, your temperature reading is 20° higher, while all other reviews have almost no difference. and no increase in power consumption or only a little.


on point 1. its the max design point for the whole familiy like it always was. FX55 does not consume 104W.
[Posted by: flyck  | Date: 10/19/04 11:24:00 AM]
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I think theyre temperatures represent a good idea of what most people will be seeing on their own temperatures, and I think they did a very good job on this benchmark article.

As for people who will be buying FX series A64s, and EE P4s, isnt it obvious, the manufacturers call them 'enthusiasts', but I would just call them computer enthusiasts with lots of money to spend, I can see someone spending the money on an A64 FX card, to get the absolute top performance there is, but someone paying even MORE than an FX, for an EE, simply just doesnt know what theyre doing.

[Posted by: Cow187  | Date: 10/19/04 01:51:05 PM]
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An interesting article with a very flawed conclusion.

The Intel processors are treated collectively (so are the AMD, but that is irrelevant since they are essentially the same), when compared to the AMD processors. The flaw in this logic is that the EE and 560 are quite different, and either one is poorly matched against the FX-55. If you take the winner of each benchmark as a company, you come to the conclusion the reviewer did. If you look at the winner of each benchmark as an individual processor, the FX-55 beats them easily. Since you can not get the best of both the 560 and EE and install it on your machine, obviously the processor comparison is much more valid than the company as a whole.
[Posted by: TA152H  | Date: 10/20/04 06:55:46 PM]
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I think the conclussion is accurate.

Intel CPUs are becoming less and less useful, the A64s definetly beat out in gaming, and starting to take over Penitum4s application performance.

If not for hyperthreading, I don't think the Pentiums would be winning any CPU benchmarks either.
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Impressed by this everything I also then began seriously
thinking about special cooling methods. Would you give any
references to high end special cooling methods?

Cooling method would be very large size, costly and still motivated
at some point of near future if this is the heat actually cutting
the Moore's Law now...

Best Wishes,

Petri V. Ticklén
petri.ticklen@kolumbus.fi

[Posted by: Petri Ticklen  | Date: 10/22/04 03:01:52 PM]
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I see a little flaw either in the testbed or with FutureMark.

If we test Athlon 64 vs P4, we try to control every other variables, right? How come then in the 3DMark tests, the P4 win in overall, but lose in the cpu test, everything else being "identical" or at least equivalent?

Does the P4 testbed advantages the P4 over A64 in the other benchmarks too? Or is it just the way 3DMarks run?
[Posted by: Francis  | Date: 10/26/04 02:22:07 PM]
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What about the 64 bit technology?
Won't it give the AMD:s a 20% performance gain in the future?
[Posted by: Jan Braunisch  | Date: 10/27/04 05:13:24 AM]
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I'm so suprised that p4 is actually faster than most of the AMD class CPU!!
Unbelievable!!
[Posted by: K.W.G  | Date: 10/28/04 04:09:49 PM]
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I'm quite confused by what you mean. In many benchmarks the p4 doesnt come close to AMD. In this your looking at one of intels most priciest processors which is about 200 more than AMDs FX. When it comes down to it AMD beats out intels in to many things and when AMD gets the instruction coding that intel has always had then AMD will easily beat intel. Once you factor in performance to price ration there is no doubt AMD wins.
[Posted by: teNtial  | Date: 01/01/05 05:34:18 PM]
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i dont want to add a comment i just want to ask you if you can read this messages what is better:an athlon 64bit4000+ or a 32bitatlon at 3.6 Ghz??
anser at adwnis14@hotmail.com
[Posted by: adonis  | Date: 06/25/05 05:18:42 AM]
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i have it
and i would trade it for anyhting
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