X-bit labs

Started by: Silver | Date 02/09/05

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1. Windows XP x64 Edition RC2, numbered build 1433, is available on WindowsBeta to registered testers.
http://windowsbeta.microsoft.com/

Non-testers, however, can download older RC1 build 1289 free of charge via Microsoft's consumer preview program.
http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail/Microsoft_Windows_XP_Professional_x64_Edition/1107880537/1

2. Fix the errors on page with these benchmarks:

Pi-Bench:

"However, the performance increase of Athlon 64 processor in 64-bit mode is a bit higher and equals 35%, while Pentium 4 managed to benefit by only 25% of extra performance."

These are not correct % numbers!

A64 does 6734 msec in 32 bit and 4312 msec in 64 bit. This means it is 56.2 % faster in 64 bit mode!

P4 does 11094 msec in 32 bit and 8203 msec in 64 bit, that means it is 35.2 % faster in 64 bit mode.

Mini-GZIP:

"In this case the performance increase by the CPU with AMD64 technology made 55%, while in case of a CPU with Intel EM64T technology the performance in 64-bit mode grew up by 40%."

Again, completely wrong numbers:

A64 does 4.34 sec in 32 bit and 9.61 sec in 64 bit. This means it is 121 % faster in 64 bit mode!

P4 does 5.33 sec in 32 bit and 8.97 sec in 64 bit, that means it is 68 % faster in 64 bit mode.

These kind of math errors can easily be avoided by approximizations. Think of it like this for Mini-GZIP A64 case:

"If it takes about half the time to perform a task, how much faster is the CPU? It's twice as fast, right. So twice as fast = 100 % faster. Why do I write 55 % faster in my article? Because I turned the math around to incorrect numbers. I better check my math..."

Fixed!

3. You can find a better list of the 64-bit drivers at www.planetamd64.com. AMD's page is outdated -- November! PlanetAMD64's site always tries to be current.

4. I don’t know if you are aware of that, but I noticed that the game The Chronicles of Riddick has native AMD64 binaries off the shelf. I already ran it in the XP64 Beta (back then 1218) and it ran just as good as under 32-bit WinXP.
I didn't benchmark it, as my GF4 TI 4600 is some sort of bottleneck in gaming applications.
Maybe you can add that benchmark.

Great review btw
The only thing I can't understand is that Sandra performed THAT good on the P4. This means that it is possible to optimize an application for either one of the 64bit extensions. Of course this is limited to some extent, since software optimization can't overcome hardware deficiencies.

5. test

6. Alright, I cannot read these anymore the grammer and spelling is atrocious! I don't usally post but this trend is all to common with Xbit and Anand's site.

"Grammer" !? Look who's talking... =P

HaHa, ya got me there, but one misspelled word does not a whole article of bad grammar and misspelled words make. I am not the one putting these on the web, and when I have trouble understanding or trying too figure out exactly what the writer is trying to convey then I get a little frustrated. I hope I don't come off sounding to terrible but if I'm catching these then the editor's definitly should as you so rightly pointed out that I'ma no gramma student myself. This is constructive criticism and not ment to be degrading.

I count three words that weren't spelled correctly in your original sentence ;)

LOL
It's funny cos it's true =P

7. It appears that you shouldn't take in consideration the minigzip benchmark because it is faked by AMD
The article that shows that:
http://www.x86-secret.com/?option=newsd&nid=837

This is an AMD64 optimizied version of the same program, not a fake!
It's not cheating, if you optimize the code for your processor.
Otherwise Intel would be cheating, too, they developed an own compiler optimizied for their processors. And Sandra is pretty optimizied for Intel, that's realy obvious!

8. AMD64 is faster in Pov-Ray, Pi-Bench, Mini-GZIP, and Mandelbrot benchmarks because AMD64 does certain instructions in HARDWARE, while EMT64 does it via software emulation!

That's the explanation...You could've saved 3 to 4 paragraphs in the babble you pulled out of you butt.

AMD64 is a transitional CPU line that allows customers to run their existing 32bit software but have the option to run AMD64 when it eventually comes.

Its a highly modified K7 + Integrated memory only + 64bit instruction set where its all hardware.

The most common mistake is to think AMD64 is a true 64bit CPU when it clearly isn't. (Have a good read at some forums like Anandtech...Some folks there are just clueless). A true 64bit is something like an Itanium-based CPU. (NASA bought quite a large number of them for a weather simulation cluster).

EMT64 was originally a research experiment called "Yamhill", to see if the P4 can do the equivalent AMD64 functions. It was originally envisioned by Intel to use IA64 instructions so that the P4 and future Intel 32bit CPUs will eventually help the transition to the Itanium line.

This plan was dropped as Intel could easily feed off AMD's effort in pushing AMD64...So "Yamhill" was officially named EMT64...That way, AMD spent their resources in promoting and getting AMD64 infrastructure in place while Intel can just hop along for the ride!

For the most, EMT64 can do most of AMD64 functions in hardware...BUT some cannot be and MUST be emulated in software. This explains why those benchmarks show AMD64 CPUs will be and is faster under certain applications that require those specific instructions.

The explanation being posted in this article is just babble.

What do you mean, "it's not a true 64bit CPU"?
It's not 64bit-only, because the AMD64 instructions are just added to x86. But 64bit is 64bit!
Is your CPU really 32bit? It can execute 16bit as well!
So, this is an advantage, because the CPU can run both, AMD64 and x86. Itanium can only IA64, that's why nobody buys it (except for some crazy guys).

9. Correction
=> Integrated memory only => Integrated Memory Controller.

10. poep

11. keep it up ,AMD~

12. malleur

13. I am planning to buy the Tiny Mediabook U64-3400 Pro E01301.The Mediabook uses an Athlon 64 3400+, 1024MB DDR RAM (2x 512MB),128MB ATi Radeon 9700 Pro Mobility Graphics.

Could you please tell me your opinion about this system in general?
I would appreciate to know its compatability with the new Win 64 and whether I should wait in order to get new processors, more win 64 compatible.

Also, there is no indication about the mother board of this system. Do you have any info about that?

Thank you in advance!

Panos K.

14. I found out the xp 64bit is much faster but my mother bord (msi) the bois gone bad on me n vidia chipset I dont think its runing right you cant update bois under xp 64 bi and if you try you will gwt the blus screen of death dont try to update boiS (msi k8neo4) I think I need to clear cmos .onther thig norton will not work cpu tunning a bit hight

15. Superb good writin' - perfect background information.

Cheers.

16. tis wicked man

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