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Prescott: The Last of the Mohicans? (Pentium 4: from Willamette to Prescott)

Started by: Tabris | Date 05/26/05 02:12:32 AM
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Minor Critique :P

Going from 500nm process to 130nm process is not a 4x fold (well 3.846x fold) as it first appears.

It is actually roughly 15x fold (well 14.793x fold) increase in transistor count, since processors are made on two dimentions not one. (assuming a mostly 2D construction with a static number of layers however the layers get thinner aswell....)

In some CPU / IC generational changes, more layers are added to construction aswell, futher increasing the exponential nature of the final transistor count that can fit in a given three dimentional space.

[Posted by: Tabris  | Date: 05/26/05 02:12:32 AM]
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HT = workaround. You have to optimize code in order to fill the empty pipelines just to be able to justify the high clocks. It's not like having to logical processors, it's just like filling the empty stages of the pipeline.

But in a smart move (marketing?) it's sold like HYPERTHREADING, needs software optimization and is not 0 to 30% faster, it's just a matter of using the pipelines decently.

It's not the case of saying that HT is 0 to 30% faster, the truth is that non-HT are 0 to 30% less effective than they should be, because empty long pipelines means something was not smartly designed.

It should be introduced on the netburst technology as an internal thing, it should not be marketed as HT... after all, it's just a workaround to justify the high clock speeds.

You see, it's not like SSE, SSE3, MMX or anything like this, it's just a design choice of doing things internally in order to get the most performance available from such high clocks. It's a smart move from the engineers point-of-view, nonetheless...
[Posted by: Hugo  | Date: 05/27/05 07:37:25 PM]
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On a side note, it's interesting to notice the power of the marketing and suggestion (psychology?). I've tested a few HT systems, and they are fast (obviously), but i've tested a few non-HT P4 systems too, and they felt like the same, no matter what.

The interesting thing is that people who likes hardware (geeks etc) and bought HT processors swear that their systems are 'more' responsible, or faster, or feel like more "ready" than non-HT.

Obviously this is BS. But you can't deny that marketing has this power to influence people mind. After spending money for their new processors - and reading all intel hype, forums and so on, the expect their systems to feel more "ready" than before.

It's interesting afterall.
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I haven't got a chance to read the entire article yet (as Im in school) but I'm very interested in the subject. Thank you for writing this article, I hope to see more like it. :-)
[Posted by: LegendaryLemon  | Date: 06/01/05 07:27:59 AM]
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It's an interesting and detailed articles about Pentium 4 architecture, nice job xbitlabs :D

It will be nice if you will write about Athlon64 architecture like this one in the future :)

Well Hugo, i agree with your comments about HT. I'm using AMD system and i can't feel too much difference between them. HT is just some effective pipeline scheduling and Intel is smart to let the end-user to think there's a 'virtual' CPU for them :D
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Igor Pavlov.. ok i recall him from the 7-zip project from sourceforge. Nice to know you are here. Great work all you guys.
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