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Started by: usn@altern.org | Date 08/05/05
Comments: 40 | Last Comment:  08/25/06

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1. Oooh. "all the new and cool stuff" surely makes we wanna pay lots of $$$ for a new, power-hungry, noisy graphics card instead of the integrated passive graphics core which does what I need it to.
[Posted by: usn@altern.org | Date: 08/05/05]

2. Microsoft says:

"Stop buying Intel integrated graphics because we want to be the only company that as a Monopoly in the world"
[Posted by: kaz | Date: 08/05/05]
I would agree, but recent news from Intel says that they are withdrawning from the Entry Level chipset market.
[Posted by: MonkRX | Date: 08/05/05]
Maybe... don’t forget that Nvidia and Ati are ready to go high end, do you think Intel as a chance against them? Unless, Intel is going for the Server and Mobile market only...

Intel best position is cheap integrated chipsets for the OEM.
[Posted by: kaz | Date: 08/08/05]

3. Integrated Graphics is rubbish anyway
If you're after a cheap but capable graphics card that supports DX9c then how about a PCI-Express 6200 TC 256MB for $59
[Posted by: RAISTLIN | Date: 08/05/05]
TC 256 only has 16 or 32 or some other low amount of RAM onboard. It uses the remaining 256MB from the system (memory).
[Posted by: MonkRX | Date: 08/05/05]
That is correct MonkRX the 6200 TC-64 256MB is equipped with 64MB of 64bit DDR-550, and during 3D it allocates another 192MB of system RAM to the video card
The 6200 TC-32 128MB is equipped with 32MB of 64bit DDR700 and allocates another 96MB of system RAM during 3D

But since we're talking about inbuilt video, let's compare with Intel's GMA 950, the most powerful inbuilt solution to date which utilises upto 224MB of system RAM

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2427&p=3

[img]http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/945g%20graphics_05230550547/7507.png[/img]
[Posted by: RAISTLIN | Date: 08/05/05]
What are you talking about? ATI’s Xpress 200 is more powerful than Intel's GMA 950, which is shown by the link you provided.

Think of all the windows licenses running on computers used in government and corporations not dealing with computer graphics (i.e. 99.9...% of them). How many of these do you think have integrated graphics? Almost all, because that is all they need. Just the thought that a few percent of these will buy e.g. the 6200TC must make nvidia really excited, because the market is huge.
[Posted by: usn@altern.org | Date: 08/07/05]
Ooops, meant to say Intel GMA 950 INTEL'S most powerful inbuilt solution to date

Regardless

A 6200 TC 32/64 still railroads the ATI Xpress 200
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2427&p=2
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2427&p=3
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2427&p=4

Inbuilt video is evil, it was released under the guise of being used to lower the price of office computers which needed little [or rather no] 3d acceleration but it has ended up being used in most pre-built PCs in order to screw more money out of consumers who don't know enough about computers
[Posted by: RAISTLIN | Date: 08/07/05]
But people like me want integrated graphics; it's the final user that doesn’t know what he wants to buy, or the retailer (computer seller) that doesn’t inform the people correctly. It has nothing to do with what you have just said.

Besides people go for cheap Dell/HP/... system, what do they expect Geforce's 6600GT inside?
[Posted by: kaz | Date: 08/08/05]
I, as an OEM system buyer will not upgrade the PC graphics card just because a new OS requires it, I bet the OS will work OK in 2D mode (like XP without the themes), it's not because the OS is 3D the user will do more or less work.

However new PC's will be sure be bought with 3D capability. ATI’s Xpress 200 looks the best right now. If there isn’t premium cost Turbo cache/Hyper memory looks good to.
[Posted by: kaz | Date: 08/08/05]

4. The interesting part for me was at the end, where they talk about processors. There they recomend a "64-bit capable" processor. Sounds like a really good hint that Longhorn will be fully available in a 64-bit version, or there will be a unified version that works with 32 or 64 bit processors (even better).
[Posted by: Random | Date: 08/05/05]
I have tested Vista in its current Beta1 format and can tell you for a fact, as of now that it does NOT support 64bit apps.

The new GUI is also terrible. It is merely for looks and just slows down productivity, rather than increasing it.
[Posted by: MaxxxRacer | Date: 08/05/05]

5. This isn't going to be good for the laptop market... currently there are practically no upgradeable separate graphics systems available that aren't in the stratosphere.

Could slow down sales as we get closer to Vista release (which admittedly is a LONG ways away)

$.02
[Posted by: Anemone | Date: 08/05/05]

6. i need this vista
[Posted by: kiran | Date: 08/05/05]

7. the Microsoft Article link for Harware Req. seems to be broken :(
[Posted by: Athlon™ eX | Date: 08/05/05]

8. DDASDSADA
[Posted by: DDDDDSD | Date: 08/06/05]

9. yeah, I wanna buy an expensive video card just to run windows, thank you microsoft
[Posted by: Makere | Date: 08/06/05]

10. Just remember folks, Vista will be filled with wonderful DRM technologies. Such include that you require to buy a whole new monitor and possibly video card to view high quality "content protected" video.

If you bend over for Vista, then you might as well give all the money you make to the RIAA and MPAA right now. Better yet, you deserve to be owned by them for the rest of your life.

With Vista, your freedom to view anything you want on your PC will be thrown out the window. It becomes the issue of they control your PC. (The PC you paid with your hard-earned cash for!)

Don't believe?

Well, just go ahead and buy Vista when the retail one is released...But don't start complaining if some of the videos you download causes your display to go blank. (Because that's DRM kicking in).

Microsoft wants you to upgrade for a reason.
(Realise what's really going on before its too late.)

Have a good look before you buy Vista (when it hits retail)

The Clicker: Microsoft’s OPM for the masses
http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000143050582/

Output Content Protection and Windows Longhorn
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/stream/output_protect.mspx
[Posted by: 22 | Date: 08/06/05]

11. Why does Microsoft have to suck resources like they cost nothing? You will likely need 2GB of ram to play games and a high end 256MB or 512MB video card. That stuff ain't cheap. Screw you Microsoft.
[Posted by: colonel_j2020 | Date: 08/08/05]

12. Reminds me of the days of the Windows 2.11 to Windows 3.0 transition when conspiracy theorists espoused: "Ooo, those tiled windows, what do I need them for??? This is just a plot to force me to buy an EGA video card."

:)
[Posted by: Bugslayer | Date: 08/08/05]

13. The HCL becomes shorter and narrower; Very soon there will only be one Windows OS capable platform, and Apple will have more functional hardware choices than a PC.
[Posted by: Dictator Gates | Date: 08/15/05]

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