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Discussion on Article:
Gigabyte Releases “Blisteringly Fast” Storage Device.

Started by: Augie @ 64bitstuff.com | Date 09/30/05 03:52:43 AM
Comments: 24 | Last Comment:  08/09/06 08:31:10 AM

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Ive seen things similar to this used by the military already. Ive been telling people for years that this is how an OS should be loaded on a computer. Hard drives are nice and somewhat fast but nothing beats loading something out of memory.
[Posted by: Augie @ 64bitstuff.com | Date: 09/30/05 03:52:43 AM]
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well the reviews that have been done about i-ram, have stated that the pc does not have to be running for i-ram to get the power. It just has to be plugged in, because the i-ram uses the stand-by power present in the pci slots.
[Posted by: w | Date: 09/30/05 04:22:11 AM]

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Was wondering when these were going to come back around. Can't wait tilll I can actually buy one, there will be a way to mod them i'm sure to extend the battery life.
[Posted by: CrankyX | Date: 09/30/05 07:16:44 AM]
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From the reviews I've been reading, the first run of the I-Ram was only 1000 pieces. Possibly they're already gearing up for I-Ram v2? :D I hope for ECC support, 8 dimm slots, and an SATAII interface.
[Posted by: Jizzler | Date: 09/30/05 11:17:05 AM]

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there is a mistake in the article, iRam uses the power of the PCI bus, even if it is shut down, the batterie is there if the PC is unplugged, but not shut down, otherwise it would be pretty crap.
[Posted by: jesusonfire | Date: 09/30/05 03:04:20 PM]

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You can shut off you PC for as long as you want. The card gets power though the PCI slot. That is why it is in there. As long as you don't shut off the PSU in back or unplug it from the wall you could leave it off for years.
[Posted by: zebkoolindc | Date: 09/30/05 07:11:20 PM]
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turning off means cutting power for more than 16 hours, not turning your PC off if I'm not mistaken. the memory can be refreshed with the system stand-by power for any length of time.
[Posted by: otelo | Date: 10/01/05 12:02:00 AM]

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I would like to use one of these as swap. My linux machine has full banks and my laptop more or less as well. Perhaps one version as firewire or usb2 for laptops?

This does btw make me remember the old Intel Above cards where you had an isa card with memory that was copied down to below the 1MB barrier to let the stupid segmented cpu execute it. ;-) I think it was called EMS memory.
[Posted by: Meng | Date: 10/03/05 05:22:49 AM]

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Booting from memory is old hat, in fact most the earliest computers did this because they could not anticipate anyone having a floppy disk drive because of the expense. So, they did it from ROM.

Even the IBM PC was available without a floppy disk drive, although I never did see one of these beasts and I doubt they sold many. So, even it booted to an OS of sorts, cassette BASIC.

Radio Shack took it one step further with their 1000 HX (and most of the succeeding home computers), by putting DOS 2.11 (it had a smaller footprint and was better known than 3.3, which was out at the time) in ROM. It loaded into RAM, rather than running out of ROM, to save memory in case a user wanted another version and booted from the floppy disk or hard disk (it saved memory because you did not map the ROM into the addressable range of the processor. If you did, and booted from the floppy, you lost that memory).

It is nothing new, and kind of a scary way of going about it, being on volatile memory. Then again, with Microsoft releasing lousy operating systems that have to be updated all the time, a ROM based solution would not do, unless it were erasable. It still kind of surprises me that Windows is not released on a PCI card with EEPROMS that would allow a user to boot up from that instead of a hard disk. If you added something like a browser, a lot of people would not even need the disagreeable hard disks they make now. Without a hard disk, you would save a lot of noise, a lot of heat, and a lot of room.

With regards to ECC, it seem incongruous for this product. I doubt any sane person would put anything that could be lost on something so tenuous as volatile memory. So, it is almost implied that you are taking some risks because losing the data will not be fatal and the risk is acceptable.

The thing that is a little unusual is that they want to keep the SATA protocol. On something as dreadfully slow as a hard disk, the overhead is essentially meaningless, but on RAM, it has to be extremely inefficient getting commands improper for the hardware and converting them to something more appropriate.

With regards to memory speed, even a tiny bit of thought will reveal the speed of the memory would not matter. If you are going through the PCI bus, you are limited to 33 MHz, and that is as fast as you are going to get the transfers regardless of whether you run the memory at 100 MHz or 200 MHz.
[Posted by: TA152H | Date: 10/04/05 03:30:58 AM]
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This news is old news by several months.

~150MBps is better than 4MBps random read of HD's but still limits potential performance benefit.
Wake me up when it uses PCI-E x4 (1GBps both directions) or better and slots into their desktop/workstation MB's along side 2xVideo + RAID. A good SCSI RAID card with 1GB cache can reach >600MBps burst. If you add system RAM then its >5GBps when used as a RAM disk but with no protection.
[Posted by: tygrus | Date: 10/04/05 11:29:05 PM]
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