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Started by: Fottemberg | Date 12/08/05 04:17:48 PM

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Молод&a mp;#1094;ы ребят& amp;#1072;, так держа& amp;#1090;ь!

[Posted by: Waltzu

| Date: 12/12/05 04:34:39 AM]

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have some comments been deleted recently? Because i see there are currently 26 but when i click through to the comments page, i see 21 comments.

I remmember a comment of mine got deleted once, even though i had laid out my sentence and thoughts as politely as i could.

[Posted by: ho hummm

| Date: 12/12/05 11:16:06 AM]

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To Anton about the drivers:

Um let me see the 81.94 was released mid november, and the 81.95 soon after for some fixes to the 81.94. In both of the release notes on those drivers they are the ONLY DRIVERS THAT SUPPORT THE 6800GS AND 7800GTX 512MB. Hello do you not see that 2 count them 2 cards are not supported by older nvidia drivers? Now you used drivers from ATI that supported the newest ATI cards and you got those drivers a few days before you began testing. The 81.95 have been out longer than the damn 5.12cats. That is a major incident that clearly shows xbit labs ATI bias.

The 5.12 were much better than the older drivers and provided some enhancement for opengl games. The 81.95 are a good step up from the 81.89 drivers for the newer games, and not using them just makes xbits review totally worthless. You strive to make a good article that compares just about every card out there, yet you choose to use an almost 2 month old driver for nvidia cards and a 3 day old driver for ATI cards. THat doesnt make sence unless you are stacking everything in favor of ATI just so that they dont get beat so bad.

[Posted by: Raptor

| Date: 12/12/05 07:28:49 PM]

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We do not usually explain the reasons for our decisions.

We used ForceWare 81.89 drivers, why are you talking about 81.85?

Description from NVIDIA: “ForceWare Release 80 Driver for GeForce 7800 GTX 512.
This is a Release 80 driver, build version 81.89.”

Here are the enhancements of the ForceWare 81.95 drivers, in case you manage to find anything that may mean "performance enhancements across the board for all graphics cards", then you should probably continue accusing us of bias.

“Single GPU Issues Resolved

- There is a possible incompatibility between the ForceWare graphics driver and the current WDM driver.
- GeForce 7 Series: Modifying any Performance and Quality Setting using the system tray icon turns off Gamma and Transparency Antialiasing.
- GeForce 6800 Ultra: Textures are corrupted upon the first time entering a zone in Guild Wars.

SLI-Related Issues Resolved

- GeForce 6 and 7 series, SLI: Updated F.E.A.R. SLI profile to achieve better SLI performance and compatibility.
- GeForce 6600, SLI: Blue-screen crash occurs when starting a new game in Civilization 4 with antialiasing enabled in the NVIDIA control panel.”

http://download.nvidia.com/Windows/81.95/81.95_ForceWare_Re lease_Notes.pdf

For your information: OpenGL enhancements for the RADEON X1600 and RADEON X1800 graphics cards have been in place with Catalyst 5.10a, which use was limited to the Quake 4 and Doom III at X-bit labs and Catalyst 5.11, which we did not use at all.

By the way, I will appreciate you read the reviews at X-bit labs more carefully and/or compare X-bit labs’ results obtained on Catalyst 5.9 drivers (in other reviews) and Catalyst 5.12 (in this review) before you are talking about across-the-board performance enhancements for the Catalyst 5.12 over predecessors.

“Regrettably, but the aforementioned memory management flaw in the Catalyst driver that was there back in the version 5.9 remained in the 5.12 as well.”

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/games-2005_18 .html

[Posted by: Anton

| Date: 12/13/05 01:05:26 AM]

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No comment from staff on the ATI bias comment by ho humm?

[Posted by: Dave

| Date: 12/19/05 09:27:29 AM]

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24.

I have :

Amd 64bit 3200 WC
1gb dual ch ram
128mb 6600GT

On what settings can I play AOE3/BF2/FEAR/Quake4?

[Posted by: Akshay

| Date: 12/13/05 07:27:46 AM]

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My god...I'm an agp user w/ x850xt agp. I feel very happy :)

[Posted by: Manly man

| Date: 12/13/05 02:18:24 PM]

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26.

Where is power consumption?

[Posted by: Jmeno na 3

| Date: 12/23/05 03:56:26 AM]

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You say that an FPS has to played a 60 fps or above. I play UT2k4 at 20fps and still kick bottom!!

[Posted by: Klo

| Date: 12/31/05 07:26:09 AM]

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Very nice graphs which are easy to view and to see the results. Awesome selection of cards.

[Posted by: riddles

| Date: 01/02/06 11:32:59 AM]

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minimum 60 fps is playable? HAHA

Minimum playable FPS is in the eye of the beholder, and most beholders find 28+ fps as playable.

Where is 60 fps coming from?

[Posted by: Xavier1421

| Date: 01/11/06 10:18:13 AM]

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30.

best review. good test

[Posted by: wastchuk

| Date: 01/14/06 07:53:22 AM]

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31.

I just wsnt to know are these cards overclocked or at normal speed

[Posted by: Eddie Jones

| Date: 01/14/06 01:33:11 PM]

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Very detailed, just what I was looking for, I wanted a review of several graphic cards because I'm thinking of buying one, and this gave me an important base to start discarding some cards. Very well done.

[Posted by: Braz

| Date: 01/17/06 06:24:04 PM]

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why do you people keep f*cking deleteing comments and never really reply to the bias charges? All i see is that about 10 comments are gone and no reply to the bias charges all you do is dodge the question and say oh the drivers dont add any performance increase so no need to upgrade to them. Bull sh!t, in almost every new driver release performance goes up and most of them are for the newer games. Just cause ati or nvidia dont say there are performance increases doesnt mean there arent any.

Every catalyst driver gave me a boost in performance and so has every forceware driver. You review products and give out info, but when your info is not totally truthful then you loose crediblity. You have lost mine and im sure others. Company bias is not something you want when you do reviews for different companies and compare their performance together.

The only true way to conduct any solid unbiased review is to use the latest drivers from ALL parties. Using a modded inf so you can get support for a few vid cards is completely unaceptable that means you are not even using certified driver sanctioned by nvidia, but a modified one that could have been tampered with beyond what you say was done to it.

If you really want people to take your reviews seriously from now on try conducting flawless, unbiased reviews, and xbit might just save its face.

[Posted by: xpress200

| Date: 02/03/06 09:53:56 PM]

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I was considering upgrading from my X800 XL (which I really enjoy) to a 7800 GT. However, after reviewing your article the FPS gain is not worth spending $300 (FEAR and Battlefield 2 with AA/AF at 1280x1024 is only +4-7FPS). Thanks!!!

[Posted by: dklingen

| Date: 02/11/06 07:52:15 AM]

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35.

the best review for VGA

[Posted by: joe

| Date: 03/01/06 09:39:11 AM]

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