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Started by: ODi | Date 12/29/05
Comments: 41 | Last Comment:  09/06/07

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1. First build a solid architecture (check) then build the features on top. Hopefully better AA/AF results will come w/ the next generation of cards, but I'm already impressed with where they are headed. Great job S3.
[Posted by: ODi | Date: 12/29/05]

2. Considering that S3 hasn't been able to put a single card into the market in numbers, and the reluctance of graphics card manufacturers to sell S3 cards (compared to ATI and Nvidia), I don't think the prospects are very good.

Might make a nice laptop chip though, if they make an MXM model.
[Posted by: Rookierookie | Date: 12/30/05]
I think S3 has a big problem with brand name
the last card i remeber is the Savage 4 (savage 2000 had such a sort life)
and then you had the Trio
but when i ask people whats a good card they say get a GeForce
GeFroce has become a name like Voodoo
maybe not a great item or name but a name that has been forced in to the minds
personaly i like a ATI9700Pro
ATI tried to name there card Radeon but you need some base to make a brand name
from one good card to another, and as soon as you get a bad one like FX you ditch it
[Posted by: AngelLaHash | Date: 12/31/05]

3. Good Review, but
i only consider eye candy for a low end card as 8X AF and 0X AA.
I don’t think who is going to buy a budget card is interested in 4X AA and 16X AF numbers.

How about some pictures of the IQ and specially AF?
[Posted by: Kaz | Date: 12/30/05]

4. Very promising card if only S3 would deliver much better drivers, which always have been a big problem for S3.
[Posted by: Artur | Date: 12/30/05]

5. I hope S3 gets out to the high-end market with something really cool. I was just shopping for a video card today and found that ATI and nVidia just isn't enough for the gaming industry.

Just as I hope that VIA will start making useful processors (AMD and Intel just don't cut it for me).

More competition -> Lower prices -> Happy me

:)
[Posted by: Stas | Date: 12/31/05]

6. a GPU to match the rest
like before and the time before that
the big probem is game support
if its not the battle between
LINUX Vs Windows
AMD Vs Intel
its nVidia Vs ATI
and for a 3rd company to nip in like S3 (who are they owned by now!!)
i think the only way is to copy the likes of nVidia and ATI so it can supported by games and then just leap ahead of them
Personaly i see S3 like SIS of the chipset, ok but not all there, now is the age of the SUPER powers, USA Vs USSR now replaced by the CPU/GPU/Chipset companys, and even then some companys are dipping there feet in to other waters, nVidia and ATI in to the Motherboard chipset.

How long before we see the likes of Intel and AMD buying ATI/nVidia or the other way around. Then we have VIA SIS and ULI sitting in the shadows, VIA better get with it, with nVidia/ATI holding the Graphics card maket, it wont take much for them to get that chipset market too. As nForce has done with the AMD CPU, where VIA was once king, then the slip up with the KT133/266 that had ever one waiting for the KT333/400a verisons that never seemed to come. Waiting because the KT133/266 where quickly replaced with the better and working KT133/266a
[Posted by: AngelLaHash | Date: 12/31/05]

7. There are two architectural advances in the Chrome S27 hardware and software that are not mentioned in this article:

1. Similar to NVidia's TurboCache and ATI's HyperMemory, S3's Chrome S27 product offers a technology called AcceleRAM for very small sized video-memory(framebuffer) footprints. For an extremely affordable entry-level graphics card, the Chrome GPU can work with a single-chip 8Mx32 DDR3 (32MB). By taking maximum advantage of the 4GB/s per direction peak bandwidth of the x16 PCIexpress link, the Chrome S27 card can deliver a very impressive 1500 points in 3DMark05. You can't get anywhere close to that level of performance with Nvidia's 6200TC (turbocache) product. Why? Because NVidia's 6200TC only supports DDR1 memory which slogs along at a sluggish 350Mhz (700Mbits/s). Also, S3's chrome27 acceleRAM can work with 16Mx16 gDDR2 - with a 32bitinterface = 64MB running at 400Mhz (800Mbits/s), the card can easily outrun the fastest "integrated graphics" (UMA) chipset by at least a factor of 2. I think S3Graphics has a wonderful little affordable chip - it just hasn't reached anywhere close to its full market potential yet. Sure, it doesn't support ShaderModel3, but that is really beside the point. There are tens of thousands of applications that run perfectly well with ShaderModel2.


2. S3 also has an impressive MultiChrome configuration with two cards. They will start marketing this product in 2006 - the nice thing about their approach is that the MultiChrome will work on any motherboard that sports 2 PCIe slots! It does not matter whether the slots are (x8+x8), (x16+x4) or even (x16+x16) - their GPU can support all of those combinations. The synthetic benchmarks scale very very well with MultiChrome. (A 1.8x scaled score has been demonstrated more than once in recent weeks). Watch this product closely - it could deliver the biggest and best value in the "dual GPU cards" segment yet!

[Posted by: phileasfogg | Date: 12/31/05]
Considering that X550s, X1300s, 6200s and 6600LEs all reach 1500 in 3DMark05, I don't see how that is such a great feat for a high-entry level card.
[Posted by: Rookierookie | Date: 01/01/06]
Hi Rookie,

well - I'm not disagreeing with you entirely. But, the 6200TC cannot support gDDR2 or gDDR3. Also, ATI's X550 cannot run off a 32bit single-chip memory ; it needs a minimum of 64bits on the memory interface. But, yes, as you said, the ATI X1300 can work with a very small frame buffer and still do quite well in synthetic benchmarks. The best "bang for the buck" in this ultra-low-end $49-$59 card segment, still looks to me at least, to be the S3 Chrome. There is a decent sized market for such cards; I know that a lot of system-integrators (or SIs as they are called in the trade) would love to sell these cards because they can make good profit margins off them.
[Posted by: phileasfogg | Date: 01/02/06]
At the time of this post, I'm seeing X550s in my area (Hong Kong) which cost less than $60 USD. IIRC, X550s can break 1500 in 3DMark05, so the S3 Chrome will have to have a VERY competitive price to be able to beat the X550.

In the end, how many cost-cutting technologies were implemented did not matter; it's the actual price on the market vs performance that counts. As we saw with the X700 and X1600 series, even though it was inferior to the Geforce 66xx/68xx series on the same price level, ATI soon slashed prices such that they became competitive, even though, at their original price, they would have been passed over by everyone.
[Posted by: Rookierookie | Date: 01/02/06]

8. hi
thanks for the good read
if they came out with that card for $100 to $125 i would buy it
[Posted by: sweet | Date: 01/02/06]
You know, even 128MB X800GTOs and 256MB X1600 Pros are selling at less than $130...
[Posted by: Rookierookie | Date: 01/02/06]

9. You could gave added 1 or two benchmark on linux to:
[Posted by: teroedni | Date: 01/02/06]

10. missing price and linux game benchmark
[Posted by: teroedni | Date: 01/02/06]
I don't think it has a price yet, and I doubt very many people would play games on Linux - most would just set up a dual-boot system.
[Posted by: Rookierookie | Date: 01/03/06]
Dude. A lot of people use 3d under GNU/Linux. In some cases, it's in games, but in many cases, it's for CAD, or for various 3d desktop environments. Benchmarking it is completely reasonable, and expected. It's also a decently big userbase these days, and growing. Many potential GNU/Linux users also look at hardware compatibility and performance in case they ever take the time to get over the learning curve and upgrade from Windows.
[Posted by: pm | Date: 05/01/06]
i am under linux and i play little with this... and i don't need a big 3d card but only a card with good driver...
And i think that if S3/Via make good drivers (and OpenSource to have more developers on) more linux people go on S3 Hardware because ATi and nVidia have very very bad drivers...
I think it will be a good marketing choice...It would be the only cards with good drivers
But a this time it's not the case, and like the other builders they don't have good driver for linux :(
[Posted by: pteppic | Date: 05/03/06]
They should have also added OS2 Warp benchmarks of Sims 2 as well. I mean, COME ON!
[Posted by: ODi | Date: 01/05/06]
Sim City 2000, my bad
[Posted by: ODi | Date: 01/05/06]

11. talk about extremes in performance.. sounds like s3 needs a more experienced driver team
[Posted by: phil verhey | Date: 01/08/06]

12. Good job, I wish they will done more susscesful in the future. I will buy their card if there are no problem with any games.
[Posted by: taitran | Date: 01/13/06]

13. If I had to review your reviews, I'd give them a 11 out of 10. Hats off!

S3 has surely taken a huge leap. I'm an asian. Here people know S3 only for its low-cost UniChrome IGP. An S3 GPU challenging GeForce 6600 is truly out of the blue! I'd thought it'd be just another cutie SiS Xabre kind that looked up abitiously to the then Geforce4 Ti but nothing of this sort. Guys! Here's something to look out for!
[Posted by: Tarun aka. Shark TZ | Date: 01/30/06]

14. sweet!!!

time to rise again S3!!!
Start another evolution for us!!
[Posted by: ferdie | Date: 02/13/06]

15. HELLO!!!!
[Posted by: dj | Date: 04/07/06]

16. current prices as of 5/12/06 for the S3 Chrome S27 are:

www.newegg.com
128mb card is $76.99 (USD)
256mb card is $99.99 (USD)

S3's online store: s3gstore.s3graphics.com
128mb card is $109.99 (USD)
256mb card is $139.99 (USD)

Fairly nice price on newegg, provided the driver problems are solved, I would buy this card. Provided they made an AGP version, I would buy another for my other computer.

Only time will tell, and so far, S3 is looking pretty good, the market needs competition these days, and ATI/Nvidia just aren't doing it.
[Posted by: madjohn | Date: 05/12/06]

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