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Started by: Joe L. | Date 02/17/06
Comments: 47 | Last Comment:  06/23/08

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1. Just read your review of the Tuniq tower and was left quite impressed. I was about to purchase either the Zalman 9500 or the Scythe based on your reviews but after reading that I'm glad I held back. I will continue to do more research on this heatsink. In the meantime, I think its worth noting that Tuniq distributes under a different name...Sunbeamtech
If you go to www.sunbeamtech.com you'll find lots of etailers.
[Posted by: Joe L. | Date: 02/17/06]

2. Do you use the same fan for all the tested heatsink? After all, different heatsinks may bundle different fans (if at all), so each heatsink should be tested with different fans for a more objective comparision for heatsinks' thermal efficiencies.
[Posted by: Kold | Date: 02/17/06]

3. The CNPS9500 is well within the recommended weight and center-of-gravity limits for stress on the motherboard, the Tuniq Tower 120 is most definitely NOT, especially with the attached fan. Transporting a PC containing this tower could be very dangerous to the health of the motherboard. Adding stress-plates to locally spead the load of overweight and top-heavy heat-sinks without providing only transfers torsional stress to other areas of the motherboard in the event of vibration or shock. And with the center of gravity of this heatsink being so far away from the motherboard, imagine dropping a tower-case a short distance vertically to the ground and the resultant leverage on the motherboard and its surface-mount components.....it only takes one cracked solder-joint to render the motherboard useless.

A heatsink review is never truly complete without observations of the mechanical-integrity compromises, and a scientifically balanced review would include shake and shock tests to the standards established by the CPU/socket manufacturer. However such tests could be very expensive due to the resultant motherboard failures with most of the (er) "speciality" heat-sink designs. With the CNPS9500 Zalman have done an incredibly good job of designing a heat-sink thermally far superior to the OEM versions from the CPU manufacturers while not compromising the mechanical integrity of the motherboard and CPU-retaining hardware.
[Posted by: kilkennycat | Date: 02/17/06]
.... a few important words were accidentally missed from the comments I just posted. Here is the sentence in its entirety with the missing words in capitals:-

Adding stress-plates to locally spead the load of overweight and top-heavy heat-sinks without providing EXTRA STANDOFFS SUPPORTING THE HEAT SINK HARDWARE AND DIRECTLY MOUNTED TO THE CASE only transfers torsional stress to other areas of the motherboard in the event of vibration or shock.
[Posted by: kilkennycat | Date: 02/17/06]

4. Why bother with these bulky hack heatsinks when a Thermalright XP-90 runs cooler, is lighter, and cost less? Do people buy these foolish looking heatsinks because they are poorly designed or because they look foolish or both?
[Posted by: Randy | Date: 02/18/06]
HI. Saying first that mechanical problems with this design is obvious and will definitely lead a lot of buyers to damaging the processors , I would like to specify a couple of very important things concerning processor fans in general. Yes, there are a lot of people running after fancy solutions. It's a hobby. At some point in the past those guys mostly did not count their money buiying components , BUT now they do.
Also assembling folks were got used to overclocking. Now they don't. They just buy faster processor and chill, knowing they would not burn it with the right clocking.
Those are the folks who used to tell you all PCI2 specs, when there was not even one motherboards on the market. It's their hobby. But now they know that "The possibilities of getting drunk and take advantage of the young girs in the bar are getting smaller by the day..." .They are still after fastest and coolest solutions, but they like specs and like to follow them more than professionals. They will not buy this piece. After all they know that the fancy look is a marketing trick.
Third. and may be most important. People now DO NOT WANT noise AT ALL. 37 Db ??? from Panaflo 120 ??? Are you kidding ?!!! My wife produces less noise.All the time. So, Forget about it!! They will not buy it.
20 Db from any fan on the CPU ? they will think about it in terms of the whole computer case. If they have noise -insulation of the case - they will probably buy low-profily low noise solution , but not this one.
Bottom line.
No way this will make it to the market for 2 most important reasons. Mechanical design will definitely damage a lot of motherboards. And the noise level from the most of the 120-fans on the market is higher 20db ( read - TOTALLY unacceptable today ).
Even if they want to run it at 500RPM only and do not play games not to overheat the CPU they will say "What is the reason in having this computer ON at all? "
Did designers say your processor will survive at 500RPM at full load ? At 1000RPM? at 2000RPM?
NO ! they did not , cause it is a compromise for overclockers minds - to speed up the CPU and to slow down the fan..
But in review they HAVE TO SAY there is a proof the processor survived with low speed of the fans at EXTREME processor load. Moreover. To make this review professional one JUST have to BURN a couple of processors at the extreme load at different fan speeds. Otherwise ALL buyers have NOWAY and no real metrics even to decide this solution is working.
Kids love games. They do not like to burn or crack processors and motherboards.
Adults hate the noise. They'd better sit with silent laptop.
Professionals love metrics, measurements, THE prove for different conditions. We do not get it from review.
Why don't you guys just DO IT AGAIN. But do it right this time.
Drop the case ! See your chip damaged.
Slow down the fan and increase the CPU load to extreme. Prove you did not damage it or say you did.
Run this at extreme load in crapy standard case from any manufacturer for days. See that your processor survive. There are millions of really bad cases from the best manufacturers like DELL and SONY and others. They just DO NOT PROVIDE airflow as they should.
Buy those cases and set it for extreme load.
If you can not afford it - the review is nothing.
Who created this solution ?
Designers? No.
Engineers ? No.
This solution has been created buy the only will of MARKETERS. They know how to trick you to buy the fancy look. Not the quality. Old salesman school. Very old.
Who did this review ?
You probably know the answer.
So. This
[Posted by: Professional | Date: 02/19/06]

5. HI. Saying first that mechanical problems with this design is obvious and will definitely lead a lot of buyers to damaging the processors , I would like to specify a couple of very important things concerning processor fans in general. Yes, there are a lot of people running after fancy solutions. It's a hobby. At some point in the past those guys mostly did not count their money buiying components , BUT now they do.
Also assembling folks were got used to overclocking. Now they don't. They just buy faster processor and chill, knowing they would not burn it with the right clocking.
Those are the folks who used to tell you all PCI2 specs, when there was not even one motherboards on the market. It's their hobby. But now they know that "The possibilities of getting drunk and take advantage of the young girs in the bar are getting smaller by the day..." .They are still after fastest and coolest solutions, but they like specs and like to follow them more than professionals. They will not buy this piece. After all they know that the fancy look is a marketing trick.
Third. and may be most important. People now DO NOT WANT noise AT ALL. 37 Db ??? from Panaflo 120 ??? Are you kidding ?!!! My wife produces less noise.All the time. So, Forget about it!! They will not buy it.
20 Db from any fan on the CPU ? they will think about it in terms of the whole computer case. If they have noise -insulation of the case - they will probably buy low-profily low noise solution , but not this one.
Bottom line.
No way this will make it to the market for 2 most important reasons. Mechanical design will definitely damage a lot of motherboards. And the noise level from the most of the 120-fans on the market is higher 20db ( read - TOTALLY unacceptable today ).
Even if they want to run it at 500RPM only and do not play games not to overheat the CPU they will say "What is the reason in having this computer ON at all? "
Did designers say your processor will survive at 500RPM at full load ? At 1000RPM? at 2000RPM?
NO ! they did not , cause it is a compromise for overclockers minds - to speed up the CPU and to slow down the fan..
But in review they HAVE TO SAY there is a proof the processor survived with low speed of the fans at EXTREME processor load. Moreover. To make this review professional one JUST have to BURN a couple of processors at the extreme load at different fan speeds. Otherwise ALL buyers have NOWAY and no real metrics even to decide this solution is working.
Kids love games. They do not like to burn or crack processors and motherboards.
Adults hate the noise. They'd better sit with silent laptop.
Professionals love metrics, measurements, THE prove for different conditions. We do not get it from review.
Why don't you guys just DO IT AGAIN. But do it right this time.
Drop the case ! See your chip damaged.
Slow down the fan and increase the CPU load to extreme. Prove you did not damage it or say you did.
Run this at extreme load in crapy standard case from any manufacturer for days. See that your processor survive. There are millions of really bad cases from the best manufacturers like DELL and SONY and others. They just DO NOT PROVIDE airflow as they should.
Buy those cases and set it for extreme load.
If you can not afford it - the review is nothing.
Who created this solution ?
Designers? No.
Engineers ? No.
This solution has been created buy the only will of MARKETERS. They know how to trick you to buy the fancy look. Not the quality. Old salesman school. Very old.
Who did this review ?
You probably know the answer.
So. This
[Posted by: Professional | Date: 02/19/06]
http://www.coolaler.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=416

take a good loek at this pictures
OPS! wat is this wo hanging ther ?
i supposed it works and on a very smoler surfees
or are this guys Very old Old salesman 2

And nobody can by the hardwear and installed without hardware nolig
you have 2 dismantle (almost) the computer(case)
i buyet i instaled i now

Groetjes
GTIKB
[Posted by: 12move | Date: 04/22/06]

6. keeg retupmoc a si neb
[Posted by: Timmeh | Date: 02/20/06]
but no
[Posted by: Timmeh | Date: 02/20/06]
is dat zo Ben ?
[Posted by: 12move.nl | Date: 04/21/06]

7. at first I was surprised at the results of the Tuniq; I mean a 7°C temp drop over one of the best heatsinks out there (Ninja) is amazing.. looking closer though the reason is obvious.. different fans are used!

If you look at other reviews of the Tuniq 120 you will see that it actually performs on par than the others; difference of 1-3°C either better or worse.

http://www.madshrimps.be/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21640
[Posted by: JMke | Date: 02/20/06]

8. This was Awesome it actually help me with the decision the one I wanted for my new big build I always loved zalman because it was my first heatsink but for my new build I did do alot of reading to get to this point & researching so it would not only look cool but do the job of cooling the p4 down or I was going to do watercoolin again so there ya go!
[Posted by: EL | Date: 03/05/06]

9. fds
[Posted by: fd | Date: 03/19/06]

10. good job
[Posted by: george.tsampekidis@12move.nl | Date: 04/20/06]

11. Never heard this brand...must be fake
[Posted by: Bro bro | Date: 05/25/06]

12. I don't know. But i love coolermaster and thermaltake better than stupid tuniq
[Posted by: fireman | Date: 05/25/06]

13. Why is there no Thermalright cooler in the test? It doesn't really make sense. Unless you belive it's not worth the comparison, which is... Take a wild guess :P
[Posted by: fxg | Date: 06/07/06]

14. You muppets talking about this review know nothing about coolers or overclocking.

this is an enthusiasts air cooling solution. plain and simple.

go check out Xtremesystems.org and look at the forum. every person has one of these because it delivers the best performance.

all you idiots talking about mechanical problems with this cooler are retarded and you obviously know nothing about overclocking and extreme systems.

the cooler is supposed to be the best. every review of xtreme overclocked CPU's from some of the best people in the world use this cooler.

the results speak for themselves.

Welcome to the enthusiasts market muppets.

you are obviously educated beyond all usefulness.
[Posted by: matt | Date: 07/16/06]

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