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Intel Pentium Extreme Edition 965 CPU Review

Started by: TA152H | Date 03/22/06 08:42:45 AM
Comments: 45 | Last Comment:  03/16/08 04:44:58 AM

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OK, why would you say this processor is "overclocked" in your opening paragraph. By definition, Intel cannot overclock processors, since they define the baseline by releasing it a certain speed. Only going over that baseline would constitute overclocking.

On top of this, these processors have so much potential clock speed it isn't even that Intel is pushing it past where they should be. So even using the incorrect definition of overclocking, it isn't.

You guys should get native English speakers to proofread your articles. I don't mean that to sound nasty, because your English is way better than my Russian, but you easily improve the quality of your articles simply by having someone very proficient in English look over them and help you rewrite them. While the articles are generally understandable, there is some awkward English and strange uses of words that would be easily spotted by a native speaker and would improve your articles. It's so easy to do, why not do it?

For example, while I know you wouldn't intentional misuse overclock, it starts off the article as biased and misrepresents what Intel did. It's an important distinction, but very easily made by someone for whom English isn't their first tongue.
[Posted by: TA152H  | Date: 03/22/06 08:42:45 AM]

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After reading the article ...

It's a very well done article, but I can't help but wonder why you didn't test the processor with Hyperthreading disabled, since in many cases Hyperthreading hurts performance significantly. It is also rather pertinent since it is easy enough to disable, and many people will do just that. The advantages of Hyperthreading on dual-cores is obviously much less than with single cores.

I find it strange that Intel continues to offer Hyperthreading on the EE editions, but not on the mainstream Preslers. If they say this targets games, that makes even less sense since they generally show a very poor response using it. So, Intel clearly must not be targetting these processors for gaming, right? Seems like they talk about gaming a lot though with respect to the EE line, so it's all rather confusing.

This processor looks like it has finally attained parity with the FX-60. There is still a disparity in games, but outside of that field, they look equal or even slightly favoring the Pentium 4.

One complaint I have about the whole outlook of many reviews is that the reviewer thinks the whole world is some lazy kids that plays games all day and place too much importance on gaming benchmarks. There are WAY more hours spent on office applications than shooting aliens, but the benchmarks show one overall office test, and several game benchmarks. Not only that, you should consider who might be interested in this processor when you review it. Hmmm, how about a developer? Let's see Hyperthreading at 3.73 GHz might show great results for someone running huge compiles, right? But, there are no tests for compiling, even though this processor would probably be the best out there for it. We don't need Far Cry, Fear, Quake and Half Life, since they all say the same thing anyway. On the plus side, I think your choice of 3D Studio Max is an excellent one (mainly because I use it :P) and is perfectly appropriate for high end processors.

Don't get me wrong, it's nicely done article, but a little too game-centric. I need to replace my development machine, and the time it takes to run a full compile gets irritating very quickly, and also because a lot of times you have people waiting on you too, since some compiles are to bug fix, and these super-expensive processors are worth it. But, despite the fact compiling is an excellent benchmark to evaluate processors, and many people reading tech sites do programming, there are four kiddie benchmarks and none for compiling. So, it might be worth considering, particularly since compiling shows excellent results with additiona processors and probably multithreading.
[Posted by: TA152H  | Date: 03/22/06 09:14:47 AM]
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2007 : K8L, HyperTransport 3.0, DDR3...
[Posted by: aAa  | Date: 03/22/06 09:29:25 AM]
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Just another snoozer from Intel. Even the dumbazz Intel fanboy sheep would be foolish to buy this POS.
[Posted by: Randy  | Date: 03/22/06 09:41:43 AM]

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Fuck Intel they r a big loser :D
[Posted by: Rizu  | Date: 03/22/06 02:12:39 PM]

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Cheaters Cant win :) Intel is a big cheater and a Loser :)
[Posted by: Rizu  | Date: 03/22/06 02:13:55 PM]

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Presler 3.73 GHz C1 core stepping
Idle 56C --- Burn 75C

"Well, I don’t think any comments are necessary here. You can clearly see that the boxed cooler can hardly cope with cooling down the older Presler revision overclocked to 3.73GHz. As for the Presler C1 core stepping, things look a way better here…"

Is that a joke or what? You think 56c idle and 75c burn is ok..!!?
[Posted by: I am Just to Hot  | Date: 03/22/06 02:51:04 PM]
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I don't suppose you guys could run the 965EE with some of that new Corsair RAM at 1066MHz at a 1:1 ratio with the FSB. I'd be interested to see if there are actually decent performance improvements with the extra memory bandwidth as well as reduced latencies by running in sync.

A comparison between an overclocked 965EE and an overclocked FX60 would also be nice.
[Posted by: Data  | Date: 03/22/06 05:09:53 PM]

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^Actually 1066MHz would be running in 1:2 ratio...
[Posted by: Rookierookie  | Date: 03/23/06 08:33:30 AM]

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When is Intel going to die?

http://67.49.215.31/inteldeath.htm
[Posted by: BorisFromStockdale  | Date: 03/23/06 05:02:27 PM]

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This article is more useful than Tomshardware's in gaming tests. Tomshardware doesn't show how much difference is between two top cpus (Athlon Fx 60 and Pentium XE 965)
[Posted by: gun  | Date: 03/25/06 02:43:17 AM]

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One thing I like to point your attention to is the fact that Gaming applications are one of the most important critaria to obtain true test of performance of any said processor and to prove the actual work done on the 3D graphic on the processor which remains the highest challenge you can have on any contemporary designs of computer related equipment.
[Posted by: Tunde Adeolu  | Date: 03/25/06 09:58:36 AM]

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when this will be avilable in the uk Intel Pentium Extreme Edition 965 CPU

thanks
[Posted by: john/ musmus  | Date: 05/01/06 10:13:20 AM]

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this article sucks sorry - where is the incremental voltage changes?
[Posted by: Drqgonsprayer  | Date: 06/01/06 12:14:55 AM]

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I'm confused.....
Using a Thermalright xp-90 cooler and the ASUS AI Booster I have a 965 running at 20% OC that equates to 4.484 & FSB 320 (way over the 280 that this article says will become unstable) & vCore at 1.3. It has been rock solid, no stability issues at all. I have to use multiple stress tests to get it to peg at 100% CPU util, etc...
Am I missing something?
[Posted by: xstanbx  | Date: 06/12/06 10:01:13 PM]
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Excellent site keep up the good work!
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