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Nvidia GeForce 7900 GT Review

Started by: shogun | Date 04/25/06 12:43:15 AM
Comments: 75 | Last Comment:  09/01/16 05:55:45 PM

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There is a small mistake on the last page:
"positioned for the 4299 price segment"
0 0 [Posted by:  | Date: 04/25/06 12:43:15 AM]

Your article is worth nothing because you compare the wrong products.
Let me explain.
7900GT 256MB can be found for $299.
X1800XT 256MB can be found for $279.
X1800XT 512MB can be found for $299.

So you should compare 7900GT and X1800XT 512MB directly.

- X1800XT is faster 90% of the time
- X1800XT can run HDR and AA - that's really a disadvantage of the 7900GT, did you forget about that?
- X1800XT has 512MB

But those 3 points alone make the buy of an 7900GT worthless.
The only advantage is SLI but by the time you want a second card, nVidia won't sell the card anymore.
BTW the whole SLI/Crossfire thing is for idiots anyway.

I really don't understand people wanting the 7900GT so badly.

But your article is a standard Xbit article.
From start till end it's all about making nVidia look good. You probably do this without even noticing it.
You just don't want to admit it's a worse product.
Xbit = nVidia Fanboy and don't you say no.
0 0 [Posted by:  | Date: 04/25/06 06:51:37 AM]
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ATI Radeon X1800 XT 512MB has recommended retail price no less than $349.
Also, please make sure you re-read the article:

"The newcomer proved just great during our real-time test session. In most tasks it outperformed Radeon X1800 XL and in some of them it competed on equal terms with a more powerful Radeon X1800 XT. Of course, 24 TMUs it features helped a lot to achieve this success, because it resulted in higher fillrate – an important parameter for games rich in texturing samples. This feature combined with about 48W of power consumption (which is much lower than by GeForce 7800 GT and Radeon X1800 XL) and excellent overclocking potential give all every right to award GeForce 7900 GT with a title of the best $299 graphics card in the today’s market."
0 0 [Posted by:  | Date: 04/25/06 01:18:39 PM]
I read it all man and there's nothing to convince me otherwise.

Lowest prices i could find:
In the US: 7900GT 256MB $299 - X1800XT 256MB $279
In Holland: 7900GT 256MB €286 - X1800XT 256MB €299
In Germany: 7900GT 256MB €292 - X1800XT 256MB €291

Do you want even more? Do i need to check all the world for you before you get it?

And who cares about the recommended retail price? It's the market price that's important.

And yeah the X1800XT is faster, can run HDR+AA, has AVIVO, ... so yeah it runs hotter and uses more power, but for a good reason.
Buy an Arctic Cooling Accelero X2 for €16 and stop whining about the fan.
That fan is practically for free.

And i'm no fanboy. I owned most cards from both brands. I just buy what's best.
But a review website of your calibre with reporters should be OBJECTIVE.
I fucking hate it when i make a correct statement and then i'm called a fanboy.
0 0 [Posted by:  | Date: 04/25/06 05:53:26 PM]
I do not know any price-search engines for Holland and Germany, but the U.S. figures you provided are incorrect.

After checking with Dealtime and Pricewatch I've found that the GeForce 7900 GT is widely available at $310 - $330, whereas the Radeon X1800 XT usually cost over $400, but there 1 store (Newegg) who can sell for $300 and 2 stores (Amazon, TigerDirect) who can sell for $360.

So, an average buyer will easier find the GeForce 7900 GT that costs around $299.
0 0 [Posted by:  | Date: 04/26/06 12:39:09 AM]

The G71 GPU is not speed binned. The reason you could only hit 560MHz core clock is due to the chip being undervolted on the GT.

Most of the 7900GTs being sold are clocked much higher than the ones you tested, so the scores you have posted here should certainly be considered worst-case for the card. The cards are also easily modified to MUCH higher performance levels.

My 3DMark scores on a single modified 7900GT (@700/1780, Zalman CF-700 fan) in High Quality mode and x2 3800 CPU (@2400Mhz, stock HSF) are 10829 for 3DM05 and 6191 for 3DM06.

I don't think you're going to find any X1800 cards doing that, unless you have a pair in Crossfire :-)
0 0 [Posted by:  | Date: 04/25/06 11:09:30 AM]
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Most of the GeForce 7900 GT graphics being sold are clocked at exactly same level as the boards that X-bit labs have tested, so the scores we have posted should certainly be considered as typical for the card that has recommended price of $299.

5% of computer users do overclocking and maybe 5% of overclockers do modding of their components that involves boosting power supply circuitries, changing fans, etc.
0 0 [Posted by:  | Date: 04/25/06 01:23:19 PM]

As always, very comprehensive review with many competing products. Great job!

However, the X1800XT is the peer competitor with the 7900GT at the $299 price point not the X1800XL. Newegg has the X1800XT 512 for 299 and a 256 version for 259 (after MIR). Not a fanboy for either side, I'll leave the performance assessments to the experts, but the price is easy to verify. This would change the conclusion significantly because you always assume the X1800XT is at the next higher price bracket and so not a fair comparison.
0 0 [Posted by:  | Date: 04/25/06 11:41:01 AM]
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The recommended retail price for the Radeon X1800 XT 512MB is still higher than $299 at the moment and a single offering in the U.S. does not change the picture for the whole world.

Also, we consider such features as power consumption, single-slot/dual-slot cooling systems, etc. - those are important for $299 boards.

Nevertheless, the final judgement is up to the user and price in his/her region.
0 0 [Posted by:  | Date: 04/25/06 01:27:08 PM]

Well, when it comes I have only 5 when it comes to favoring 7900GT over X1800XT. Where I live X180XTs are hard to find and cost some 70 to 110 bucks more, I like more the NV's drivers - more compatibility, stability, I currently run an X850XT Pe and have some serious driver issues, Act of War's Expansion locks very frequently, and lots of older games look strange - then, the 7900GT is quite a good overclocker, and the last, I might be wrong, the reviewer said that in some cases the ATI cards only simulate supersampling, and that's a hole lot of workload off the chip. Don't want to cry "Wolf" because I'm not sure of this, if someone could give some more info I would apreciate.
Not least, but fifth, it is highly probable that NV will do a software mod to their cards thru drivers to make them do FSAA+HDR, even it might bring down performance.
ATI drivers are a big detterant for me, but their good part is that they come out every month, and any issues might be adressed quickly.

Just as an ending line, with my previous card, an 6800GS, I was playing everythin from Unreal1 to FEAR and AOW Exp with no glitches. The X850XT issues are driver ones, since I've put my PC thru a 24H 3Dmark test with Prime95 torturing in background, and it is not an hardware issue. That makes me go back to NV, am I wrong?
0 0 [Posted by:  | Date: 04/25/06 10:37:55 PM]
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once again, it is impossible for nvidia to run HDR+FSAA
its a hardware thing, not a software one
i like this site but i dont read the graphic card reviews anymore
they are to biased, its always nvidia who is the best, i read my graphic card reviews somewhere else altough i love this site
but their graphic card reviews SUCK
0 0 [Posted by:  | Date: 04/26/06 12:59:53 AM]


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