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Sony PlayStation 3 Hardware May Not Be Finalized – Sources.

Started by: LLAME | Date 06/06/06 03:39:56 PM

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[Posted by: LLAME | Date: 06/06/06 03:39:56 PM]

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Only non experienced user/developer will think such a rubbish K8L will outcast PS3. At least, the software of PC platform was never full optimized for any single hardware, which means that a lot of feature and performance on your hardware is wasted. THink about how long it took for major games started to implementing T&L after original GeForce was launched in year 1999! Think about why, with similar polygon setup throughput, a GeForce GTS can never fire up any game with quality similar to PS2 GT4!

You guys should taken in mind that the same Cell chip used in PS3 is used by IBM to build MILITRARY SUPER COMPUTER, which will blow away any computer using X86 achitecture. User like Gutts is too simple and naive to think a Cell chip will works like a Casio calulator when comparing with x86. He should take more look on how professional engineering/computing system implementing the XDR and Cell technology that used in PS3! Given in mind that, 3 years ago, for each clock cycle, the Emotional Engine can do 3 times more floating thoughput than any Intel or AMD. A Cell clocked at 3.2GHz with 8 SPE must blow away all exsiting x86 CPUs.

Actually, on budget demanding servers will use AMD Opertron/Intel Xeon processor. They are the real calulator when comparing with IBM SuperComputer! Think about why IBM throw away such a simple and naive PC business and concerntrate on super computer business only!

The miracle inside a Cell chip is such 8 SPEs (7 in PS3's case) can be allocated and optimized to do specific task at any time. Sony had also licensed PhyX SDK for Cell chip, which means that all SPEs can be allocated to serve as PPU for PS3 when requested, which wil blow away any oldie PCI based single PPU implementation in PC.

[Posted by: ET | Date: 06/07/06 07:34:16 AM]

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Your facts are all wrong ... Emotion Engine? Lol ... what a load of market BS that was... and PS2 fanboys ate it up.

[Posted by: Gutts | Date: 06/07/06 12:45:53 PM]

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Gutts, please don't be silly. Facts can be wrong? What a silly contradiction?

Let's see if any FX60 or Core2Duo can render "GT4" quality graphics and physics if clocked at 300MHz.....LOL

[Posted by: ET | Date: 06/08/06 08:53:15 AM]

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You are too underloonk Emotional Engine's power!

http://arrakis.ncsa.uiuc.edu/ps2/using_vector_units.php
The National Center for Supercomputing Applications (NCSA) have launched a cluster of PlayStation 2 units, which they intend to use to explore the possibilities of high-speed computing on relatively inexpensive hardware.

The EE has spread her computation power in a serveral block, which is far earlier tahn Intel's idea of dual core! Some of the vector unit is designed for physics processing, which is 6 years ahead from PC to have PPU become available. To develop good performance program, developers has to learn how to wisely allocated the work load between different vector unit. For NASC, thier matrix program start off from 170MFLOPS, and their latest work has 1GFLOPS, and is still believed by the code programmer that it's not the hardware limit, but the code!

[Posted by: Xbit labs | Date: 06/09/06 09:21:02 PM]

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LLAME: PS3 is gonna be outdated the day it will launch. Its over priced and PC's have already caught up to it.

In Q1 2007, we will have quad core AMD K8L, latest DX 10 cards in SLI, PPU and more. Ps3 will look like a freaking Casio Calculator watch compared to PC's.

If nVidia or ATI plan to release a GPU that uses AMD's co-processor tech .. its game over of PS3.

[Posted by: Gutts | Date: 06/06/06 06:56:42 PM]

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I heard that PS3 have problem with cell chip
Read at Inquirer website but if true sony will lose over Xbox

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=32171

[Posted by: Zymath | Date: 06/06/06 10:12:48 PM]

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That inq story is bs. Or yes values are right, but doesnt matter a thing. That dia shows that its pretty slow to read/write with Cell on GDDR3. And it shouldnt be so important feature to calculate some gfx stuff with cell. Perhaps its possible, but it is slow. And that tri performance doesnt really tell you how fast ps3 can in real world run some games. And how this value have been calculated, would be nice to know. So those infos really doesnt tell use nothing.

Perhaps its possible, that in E3 they runned some games on PC. Would be just bit odd, cuz devs have theirs devkits also. And why in hell they would use ATI's crossfire cards. They are making those games with OGL (OGLES/PSGL) and using NV extensions and features to render the game. So why they would use ati's cards? That just doesnt make any sense.

[Posted by: ksti | Date: 06/10/06 10:31:06 AM]

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Man, GDD3 is directly linked to the nvidia RSX part in PS3; while Cell, in practise, talks with the Rambus XDR memory most in actual application.

That's no difference from you guys blaming how AMD/P4 accessing slowly to the GDD3 memory inside a GF7900GTX. What a totally pointness sue!

[Posted by: Eclipsed Aurora | Date: 06/11/06 03:48:23 AM]

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Well yes I didnt meant that Cell doesnt use XDR or something else. It just a possibility to use GDDR3 with Cell, but it is slow. Like Sony's Devstations dias tells us.

[Posted by: ksti | Date: 06/11/06 08:05:20 AM]

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Actually the bandwidth of XDR in PS3 system is even more than GDDR3. So that's seldom chance for any gaming programmers to access GDDR3 thur Cell, unless you really need to do some sciencific calculations

In fact I am more interesting how how fast the RSX can access the XDR memory. As the PS3's RSX implemented a "Turbo-Cache" like technology that can allow access to XDR memory for extra graphic bandwidth, XDR is very likely to be utilized for developers to produce quality quality software engines for PS3 based games.

[Posted by: Eclipsed Aurora | Date: 06/11/06 09:19:26 AM]

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Do u know the current developing kit of PS3 is also a PC utilizing a top end GeForce 7900 card?

The latest developing kit change the GeForce to RSX, but running at a slower speed than the target. But Sony had notice to all developers that this developer kit is not the same speed as the final production version.

So I can't see any point of interest for blaming game developer showing games with PCs. In fact, the quality of news from Xbit Labs is wenting down.

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