well... it doesn't matter much! Vista public release is only weeks away. We all know that will pump up new blood into a ever-shrinking discrete graphics market.

Even for simple windows, the integrated solutions are all so stinking that even people with little knowledge will realise.

Also... that will be a HUGE window of oportunity to steal the market for the forthcoming amd-ati igp chipsets, which are supposed to run vista's aero troublelessly. That's unmatched by both Nv and intel counterparts.

"Even for simple windows, the integrated solutions are all so stinking that even people with little knowledge will realise."

What they may just realize is that it's better and cheaper to stick with XP though.

Not sure many people are going to go "Oh no, Vista runs too slow with my Intel IGP! I must go out and buy a better graphics card".

Vista will fuel sales. The wise will know to leave Vista alone till they "need" it more, but the masses may just line up. Insane I know, because it's really not worth the price of entry.