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EPoX EP-5P965+ GLI Mainboard Review

Started by: Bornfree | Date 02/10/07 07:24:34 AM
Comments: 11 | Last Comment:  04/18/07 05:41:20 AM

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I agree that almost ALL Asian aftermarket (vs. OEM), mobo companies should be ashamed of what they have released for sale to end users in the past 3 or more years -- due to the countless defects. It is surprising to see Epox have such problems because in the past their mobos have been better than the majority.

It's time that Asus, Abit, DFI, Sapphire, Gigabyte, etc. get very expensive class action lawsuits, (like Nvidia has now), to make these unscrupulous companies change their ways and deliver a quality product that at least meets industry standards and the advertising claims made by the company.

If truth in advertising laws were enforced every CEO and marketing manager from the Asian aftermarket mobo companies listed above would likely be imprisoned for consumer fraud, IMNHO. It's just criminal the way these companies operate.

The sad reality is that hardware review sites who knowingly HYPE inferior, defective mobos, encourage consumer fraud. There is absolutely no reason other than financial gain to rush a half-baked POS out the door when a company knows full well the product is defective. When you have websites that blatantly misrepresent the facts and overlook the most basic fundamentals of mobo operation like proper and stable vcore voltages, proper operation of brand name, top quality, industry standard PC3200 or similar DRAM, proper BIOS options and function, etc. then you have shills promoting defective goods for profit.

Until consumers stop buying this CRAP the mobo companies will continue to ship this CRAP. For the newbies... there was a time maybe 5 years ago when you could actually buy a quality mobo, at a reasonable price, that actually performed as advertised complete with overclocking options that functioned properly. In the past 3 or more years the mobo companies have gone into the GIMMICKS mode with outrageous and unsubstantiated performance claims, very poor quality design, engineering and production and sky high prices for these defective products. And for prices 3-5 times higher than what they should be, you get absolutely ZERO customer support as documented by any number of websites and consumers who have purchased these defective products and have been taken to the cleaners.

Financially supporting con artist companies and scammers is bad for everyone who desires quality, reliable PC hardware and software. the only way you get these folks to go back to delivering quality products is to refuse to buy the defective CRAP they have been shipping. Obvioulsy many consumers are braindead and run out and buy the trick-of-the-week PC hardware hyped by websites. As a result we now have a PC industry when CRAP is the main product with few options other than to say NO I won't buy this crap or file class action lawsuits to stop this consumer fraud. So let the class action suits begin in full force if that's what the unscrupulous companies require to change their ways.
[Posted by: Bornfree  | Date: 02/10/07 07:24:34 AM]

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Hi. Thanks for the review. After my constant struggles with the ds3 that ultimately ended in the board up and dying, I'm more than fed up. I saw the upcoming dfi infinity p965 and was planning on getting that, but since my ds3 prematurely died, I'm in need of something sooner. I saw this epox on sale at newegg and became interested. Overall initial look at it was really promising. However, I didn't find too many reviews, and of the ones I did, it was a major disappointment. I checked on epox's website and noticed they've released a second bios at the end of December. I may have just skimmed over it, but maybe you should list the bios version used in your testing, and if you've tried the new one?

It certainly seems that there is still promise for this board with newer bios revisions, although I'm not going to hold my breath. I've seen what p965's can do and the developers' abilities to come out with bioses (good grief at this one!!).

I think I'm just going to settle for a p5b vanilla and mod it up. Maybe I'll come back in a few months and see you guys have made a followup review with a new bios that shows potential of this board.

Also, something that might be of interest is if you manipulated the bsel flags of an e4300 to 266fsb and see if it'll enable selection up to 510 in bios (not that it's able to go anywhere near there unfortunately..)
[Posted by: ziddey  | Date: 02/12/07 10:47:54 AM]

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never seen before a so bad test... yeah -really many pictures (ironic) only text - how can i trust you? the board will only run with fsb 310? ohh why is your screen @330mhz - why did i not see a picture about the (ram)timings?
yeah bios bugs, which one? description left out - are u paid by Asus?
and rofl my brother got this board and he uses Scythe Infinity - it runs very well ?? ?? you got an other revision?? (on the pictures i saw 1.0 - just the same like my one ) and Capacitors are high? they less tall than the one on my gigabyte ds 4 O_o?(and my board got a heatpipe,which helps to increase it) bad test, just big joke - worst i ever seen ;)
and no iam not an EPoX fanboy i just dislike unfair tests...(maybe this board is not only for overclocker? where were benchmarks results from games and 3dmark???? rofl)
if u got some questions: radeon_9700@gmx.net
[Posted by: Patrick Grossmann  | Date: 02/13/07 06:57:22 AM]

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Hi,
I saw the type of motherboard EPoX EP-5P965+ GLI i wish to by o your advert and i will like to request detail information about it.
Kindly,supply me detail about the condition,the payment option and cost of delivery of the product to my clien in Africa and Europe.
You can contact me though my e mail:caremail.info@gmail.com or through my number 604-822-8529
I shall be looking forwardvto your reply.
[Posted by: Dappy  | Date: 02/14/07 06:42:30 PM]

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I had this board for about two weeks, and have RMA'd it due to one simple problem. I am not an overclocker, but I like speed, and I set up servers all the time, so I'm extremely familiar with RAID.

Here goes:
When you load Windows (whatever flavor) and press F6 to load RAID drivers, you load up the intel ICH8R drivers, and it seems all went fine.
You get into the GUI portion of the load and everything seems fine...
Then the CDROM that's connected to that lame EZ-IDE bridge stops working. I've tried everything, but it just fails.

After many attempts to get some kind of technical support from EPoX that is of some use, they finally said "We know there is a problem with the Intel ICH8R drivers working with an IDE CDROM through our EZ-IDE port and are trying to get intel to fix it. Try using a USB CDROM to load the OS"

throwing the blame at Intel... Pointing fingers at other than themselves.

If you're looking for a RAID Solution, don't look at this board!

The Abit AB9 Pro works FINE! I got mine in from Newegg a few days ago. Not that it doesn't have minor issues, all the P965 / ICH8R boards do at this point (mainly Intel Drivers causing weird problems, USB problems, etc.) But at least the JMICRON solution for IDE WORKS!!!

[Posted by: TWO WEEK NIGHTMARE!  | Date: 02/17/07 09:37:30 PM]

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.. this review.. sucks...
I have this board since 3 weeks..
And all the bad points in this pseudo-review is wrong..
The max fsb whit my e6300 is 450... and give my a rock stable overclock...
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=166772
Look this and compare ;)

Where is the test you made ??
Sandra?
3dmark ?
Game performance ??

Xbitlabs... you are lost Credibility ....


[Posted by: Mr Free  | Date: 02/20/07 03:48:50 PM]
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ITS REALLY GOOD
[Posted by: ERNZ  | Date: 02/23/07 01:04:45 AM]

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hey Me Free that's my CPU-Z validation you just posted

and this review does kind of suck .

anyway to be fair ..... 400FSB is not stable on my Epox P965+ GLI ... and similar to the review ..... single channel single stick ram gets better results ...

so far my highest orthos stable (several hours) overclock is at 380FSB in single channel (2x1gb sticks PQI cheap ddr2-800 not the PQI turbo kind ) 4-4-4-12

and yes the RAID does not work properly at all. I'm stuck with 2 160gb drives unable to make RAID config =( ...... also the EZ-IDE can be kind of picky at detecting IDE drives
[Posted by: Tediber  | Date: 02/28/07 11:45:05 PM]

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Any results anywere with the 3/3/07 bios update? :(
[Posted by: Results  | Date: 04/12/07 04:10:03 PM]

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I've this mobo at home but my revision is 1.1. So could anyone tell me if there are new reviews, test and so on with this revision? I'd like to know is there are still problems with overclocking and raid ? If I could ask you to send me links, materials or anything about this revision of EP - 5P965+ GLI at TEKIL4O@yahoo.co.uk

Thank you in advance :)
[Posted by: TEKIL4O  | Date: 04/18/07 05:41:20 AM]

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