Intel more expensive?

Ever look at the DS line from gigabyte? around $100-120 retail and ~$60-80 oem or open box.

And they oc like race horse on steroids.

> Oh and by the way AMD, this processer shouldn't be called a 6400+. It's a 6200+. Until now, a 200Mhz increase in clock speed had a 200 increase in PR Rating.

I guess you're just not very good at pattern recognition:

2.6GHZ: 5200+
2.8GHz: 5600+
3.0GHz: 6000+
3.2GHz: ???


The "Black Edition" branding is a smart but necessary move for AMD. As someone mentioned before, this processor is geared towards enthusiasts so they're likely to get their own fan anyway, so not including a fan is a smart way to save cost without impacting the customers too much. Now that they're not including a fan, it is necessary to differentiate this processor in a box (PIB) from all other PIB's that do have a fan, hence "Black Edition".

From an enthusiast perspective, this Black Edition really is an exciting product since it will likely be the fastest K8 desktop offering by AMD, ever, at a reasonable price (think back to the days when you had to shell out $1000 for an Athlon 64 FX processor).

Guess I'm not... But still, why fraud the customer? It's not that great, its good, but not you know, amazing, as the advertising implies:

Still a waste to me. AMD 6000+ is still better

First off, I want to apologize for the pattern recognition comment; it really wasn't necessary.

You are right that the 6000+ is better than 6400+ in a price-performance perspective. But it doesn't change the fact that the 6400+ is the best performing Athlon ever. CPU pricing has always been non-linear with performance. Some people are willing to pay (unproportionally) extra in order to have the best. If you want better value for the buck, you should stick with 6000+ but it's definitely not frauding the customer.