X-bit labs

Started by: Fine | Date 09/20/07

Comments: 26 | Last Comment:  10/10/07

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1. quote: After Intel Corp. at Intel Developer Forum unveiled details in regards its new platform featuring code-named Nehalem processors, Advanced Micro Devices has issued comments claiming that Intel actually copied approaches of its smaller rival to create more advanced personal computers.

Sour graping! Nehalem has hyperthreading built in their cores... still different from their existing chip! Plus, SSE4 instructions...

Its not like they invented the memory controller...

AMD should stop gaggling for gimmicks and focus on getting better products out

2. AMD copied x86 right off the patent papers and they should be glad that nobody ruled in favour for Intel on that.
Integrated memory controller is nothing new... the concept is as old as microcontrollers.
If Volvo improved fuel burning effeciency, would SAAB, Scania or Koenigsegg not be allowed to use the same concept?! Give me a break!
Competition and concept theft prevents the market from rotting.
Who was first to have direct fuel injection into combustion engines?Which combustion engine manufacturer do not use direct duel injection?

The CPU market is running at a high speed, so actually taking a concept that someone else published first is not theft in my opinion.
Maybe Intel have had this on paper before AMD published it... who knows?! Go back and work on Barcelona FFS!

3. yup

4. It is AMD's Tech. no doute ! Just remember without AMD your C2D would be $2000

Well... maybe.... but without intel to copy the x86 in the first place... would AMD exist today???

No, the C2D wouldn't be $2000 is AMD did not exist. If you have ever studied economics, you will know that no one will buy a processor and the computer industry will collapse. Most likely, if Intel does raise prices, it will be no more than $300 and a price of $2000 will obviously provoke government interaction by labeling Intel as a monopoly and breaking it up into smaller companies.

that is B.S.

that is what every AMD fanboy keeps claiming!

since you "claim" yourself to be very knowledgeable about economics, then how come you never heard of the "law of supply and demand".

ok fanboy let me explain

with the current state of prices of chips, price increase is not likely guaranteed due to several factors. first, intel has several fabs running 24/7. even if AMD collapses, intel's production can still produce excess chips. excess chips end up in warehouses which does not translate into profit. in order for intel achieve their sales targets, they need to dispose these excess chips. in order to do that, they either maintain or lower their prices.

go figure!

you are B.S.

I am no AMD Fanboy dumbass

Since you "claim" youself to be superior in intelligence, then how come you never heard of the letters STFU?

Ok idiot, let me explain

with the current state of prices of chips, price increase is not likely guaranteed due to several factors. first, intel has several fabs running 24/7. even if AMD collapses, intel's production can still produce excess chips. excess chips end up in warehouses which does not translate into profit. in order for intel achieve their sales targets, they need to dispose these excess chips. in order to do that, they either maintain or lower their prices.

You are a dumbass!!!!

5. Good God as if AMD didn't have a past of YEARS of CLONING Intel CPUs.

I supposed AMD should be blasted for their SSE implementations.

Give me a break.

6. Hmmm, I wonder what gave them that idea... maybe it was the integrated memory controller, or the hyper-transport bus (pardon me, I meant quickpath), or maybe the graphics core, or maybe the shared L3 cache. Either way, they are wrong, these are groundbreaking new technologies created by Intel Corp. AMD should stop crying about it cause they are simply wrong...

7. When will AMD say that VIA's CPUs are Geode clones?!
Sure, AMD introduced mentioned technologies to the x86 mainstream market first, but the concepts are getting old, Just think about how much time AMD have had the mentioned technologies in their mainstream products. They've had plenty of time to improve it.
Intel is catching up now, a bit too late... and AMD whines?!
They should spend less money and time on loud mouth stuff like this and get their head out of their ass and get Barcelona out on the market, in quanitities. THAT will lower prices for us... their whining will not. *zzz*

8. Shut the FUCK UP AMD. Don't pull this crap out of your ass just because you are in a bad position. Besides, you copied Intel on CPUs, not CPU technology, so shut up and focus on makking good processors.

9. Oh my goodness, you people are dense. AMD is not whining here, or claiming anyone stole anything. They are not threatening to sue or saying INTEL should not be allowed to do this.

This is pure marketing. AMD is trying to steal the thunder of this announcement by INTEL by mentioning, truthfully, that they had the features of Nehalem first. Companies often make press releases to coincide with new product announcements by rivals.

10. You did not invent IMC nor did you invent crossbars.

Meh

11. 2003 : K8 = AMD64 + DirectConnect (IMC + HyperTransport)
2004
2005
2006
2007
2008 : Nehalem = "AMD64" + "DirectConnect" (IMC+QuickPath Interconnect)

go back earlier fanboy!

1968: Intel's startup
1969: AMD started as a producer of logic chips
1970
1971: Intel create the first commercial x86 microcomputers
1972
1973
1974
1975: AMD introduced a reverse-engineered clone of the Intel 8080 microprocessor

That was 2X faster than the Intel version.
And used less power.
And was cheapper.

In other words, Intel was already fragged by AMD in 1975.

12. tic toc copycat tic toc

13. Funny theory, but AMD has 1 major problem that makes proving this theory impossible: AMD HAS NO TECHNOLOGIES

What?!?!?!?!
The company with more patents in the world has no technology?

14. Pretty childish behaviour from AMD if you ask me. They act like they invented hot water.
Ever since technology exists, copying (or "stealing") has been one of the main forces behind the fast evolution in technology (and every other sector). If company A makes a product and company b comes up with a similar product, then company A will improve their own product or make a new version... whatever... This is how it works, wether they have a patent or not.

All we've heard and seen from AMD this year is a lot of talking and promising and the useless comments above.

For more than a year now, Barcelona was supposed to be the C2D 'killer'. But what C2D version? The one Intel released last year or the upcoming Penryn cpu's that are going to be better and faster than the current ones... Tsssss...

My advice AMD. Instead of making useless comments like this, shut up and stick to the engineering table untill you can finally start shipping your new products. And make sure you don't dissapoint us when that moment comes.

Copy, not the right word.

The right world is following.
Intel is following the leader in the high tech world.
AMD is the supreme x86 King.
And everyone normally follows what the king says.
Unless the king is wrong, but that’s not the case here.

15. Intel released its single 4-bit all-purpose chip, the Intel 4004, in November 1971. It had a clock speed of 108KHz and 2,300 transistors with ports for ROM, RAM, and I/O. Originally designed for use in a calculator, Intel had to renegotiate its contract to be able to market it as a stand-alone processor. Its ISA had been inspired by the DEC PDP-8.

DEC DEC DEC DEC DEC everywhere


1997
• Digital and Intel will enter into a 10 year patent cross license agreement.
• Intel will purchase Digital's semiconductor operations including state-of-the-art facilities in Hudson, Massachusetts as well as development operations in Jerusalem, Israel and Austin, Texas for approximately $700 million.
• Digital will retain its Alpha and Alpha-related semiconductor design teams to continue to develop future generations of Alpha. *Intel will make offers of employment to other Digital semiconductor employees.*
• Intel will serve as a foundry for Digital for multiple generations of Alpha microprocessors.
• Intel will provide Intel products and comprehensive technical support to Digital consistent with practices for other major Intel OEMs.
• Digital will develop a full line of systems based on Intel's IA-64 processor family.
• Digital will port, with technical assistance from Intel, its industry-leading Digital UNIX to Intel's IA-64.
• Intel will obtain rights to manufacture and sell other non-Alpha Digital semiconductor products.


2001 Technology Transfer to Intel
Under the multi-year technology agreement, Compaq is transferring significant Alpha tools and engineering resources to Intel, as well as granting licenses to Compaq's Alpha microprocessor technology and compilers.

Over the next couple of years, several hundred Compaq microprocessor engineers, compiler experts and infrastructure employees will be offered employment with Intel. A portion of these engineers will remain with Compaq to complete a next-generation Alpha microprocessor development effort currently underway but will transfer to Intel as their projects are completed. Compaq's transfer of technology and resources to Intel is expected to result in an acceleration and enhancement of Intel's Itanium processor roadmap.




While multithreading CPUs have been around since the 1950s, Simultaneous Multithreading was first researched by IBM in 1968. The first major commercial CPU developed with SMT was the DEC 21464 (EV8). This chip was developed by DEC in coordination with Dean Tullsen of the University of California, San Diego, and Susan Eggers and Hank Levy of the University of Washington. The processor was never released, since the Alpha line of processors was discontinued shortly before HP acquired Compaq (formerly DEC).

Dean Tullsen's work was also used to create the Intel Pentium 4 Processor.


Intel CPU (1971-2007) = DEC inside

16. Tryggve Fossum
Intel Fellow, Digital Enterprise Group
Director, Microarchitecture Development

Fossum joined Intel as part of a June 2001 agreement with Compaq Computer Corporation that called for the transfer of microprocessor engineering and design expertise to Intel.
http://www.secinfo.com/dwpD5.4f89v.d.htm

Prior to joining Intel, Fossum held a variety of positions during 28 years of combined service to Compaq and Digital Equipment Corporation. Since 1998 [1998-2002 : DEC -> Compaq -> HP], he served as a Compaq Fellow and was lead architect for future versions of the Alpha microprocessor. From 1991 to 1998, Fossum led a team conducting processor and compiler technology research. Prior to this, he was a consulting engineer and helped design several VAX processors for Digital.

Fossum holds 30 patents on various aspects of computer design, including floating point, multithreading and cache organization technologies.

http://www.intel.com/pressroom/kits/bios/tfossum.htm



P. Geoffrey Lowney
Intel Fellow, Digital Enterprise Group
Director, Compiler and Architecture Advanced Development

He is responsible for using advanced compiler technology to improve the performance and usability of Intel Architecture processor family products.

Prior to joining Intel [2001], he was a Compaq Fellow and Director of Compiler and Architecture Development for the Alpha Microprocessor Group. His responsibilities included developing compiler technology and tuning compilers for Alpha systems, providing architectural direction to the microprocessor design teams and designing Alpha architecture extensions.

http://www.intel.com/pressroom/kits/bios/plowney.htm

17. The reason Athlon64 processors had both IMC and AMD64 is that AMD was too poor to make too many different processor types. Desktops that could never use all the memory bandwith of IMC nor a 64-bit Windows OS were saddled with a processor that never could realize its full potential. AMD GOT LUCKY that its server-destined designs also played well in the desktop and laptop markets.

Intel also had a bit of luck in that Core (and Core 2) played so well between all three major segments.

But why does AMD struggle so in the fastest growing laptop segment? AMD X2's with a cut-down bus cannot compete with the FSB that allows either much better performance for the same battery life OR comparable performance for much greater battery life. FSB is also the preferable system for integrated graphics, as the shared memory is more accessible by the graphics processor in a bus system.

Quickpath will ONLY be available in server for these exact reasons. The extra memory bandwidth is really only applicable to the server environment. Only Intel has the R&D budget to fully implement the best solution in every market.

AMD just has to make do.

18. AMD all The way i hate intel cpu, and never gonna buy prick one in my motherboard !
Amd all the Way !

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