cool news, nice to see ATI with a solid game plan.

I am dieing to know what Nvidia plans to release this November, now that I seen what ATI is doing...

And to the author-- Delay these cards until phenom is ready? WHAT? And miss the Cyrsis release date, and x-mas season? No way lol. If they have these new cards ready in Nov, then they' best release them ASAP, or they risk missing out on a lot of sales from people who will be buying new rigs (like me) or upgrading older rigs to play the new incredible games coming out this year, not next year......

Miss Crysis, and you probably miss 70% of the customers in the next 6 months lol =D so it would be a bad idea to delay the release of these new GFX cards IMO.

And really, who cares about Phenom? That technology is going to be obsolete before it is even released. Penryn is out sooner, and far better (and probably cheaper too).

Have you not been following the processor news? lol?


Hey I love AMD, I don't want them to die, but there is no denying that penryn is a year ahead of phenom's tech.... The monolithic design of Phenom is great and all, but if you look at the quad opterons out now (basically early phenoms) you'd know they are nothing to get excited about.

Heck, I think I'd even take a Q6600 and overclock the bejezzers outa it before buying a phenom, yet here comes penryn.... Even better... Even smaller, even colder.... Can you imagine how high they will overclock on air alone? Will they even need to overclock to beat out a Phenom?

Need I say more?

I never insulted him and stand by my comments. Until I see a desktop product vs a desktop product those servers benchmarks don't mean anything much to me.

"Tell me smartass, just how much is this platform going to speed up phenom? Did AM2 do anything for K8?
asshat"

This statement is just clueless. AM2 was a new socket not a new processor. K8 to barcelona is different generation CPU!


And it is possible to get increased performance from just a update to the core. Example Conroe to Penryn, which from the benchmarks i've seen is a 5% boost on avg in IPC.

Jeff--- Please watch your filthy language ok? It serves no purpose other then to make you look like a barely sentient ape, who is throwing a fit because you obviously have a prejudice for intel.

I am an intel fanboy? Hmm.... Then why am I running an ancient AMD 3200 64 XP chip?..... I have no preference, I will buy from either company, whoever offers the best bang for the buck... I have actually never owned a intel based PC, and all the computers I've put together for family members have also always been AMD up to this point.


Now to reply to bill gates lol--
Thank you bill for debating this maturely, some people around here have filthy mouths, and it is childish indeed.
I disagree that the faster ram ect will help phenom all that much. Yes, we do need to see benchies, but the newly released quad opterons are not a bad gauge by any means. Phenom will be faster no doubt, and might (at stock speeds) beat out conroes.... But come overclocking I still think many conroes will win (hopefully I'll be wrong).

Some benchies of penryn are not that impressive like you say... Certain apps show very small increases, while other benches show 100% or more! It can't all be just hype can it?
Even if a lot of penryn is just hype, can you honestly tell me it won't overclock well? It is 45nm after all and the successor to the incredible conroes which are an overclockers dream come true.

It is early, but on paper this looks very bad for AMD. Not only is penryn a year ahead (45nm vs 65nm) but the prices have already been leaked.... Penryn will be very cheap... Will Phenom offer a better price to performance ratio? Can they even afford to do so? Such bad yields, that AMD has to release a ridiculous tricore!, yet intel is having soo much success with Penryn, the date keeps getting pulled back closer and closer! The extreme model will be out in November for petes sake! =0
(though who can afford that model, I know lol)


Hate me if you must, and call me an intel fanboy if it somehow makes you feel better.... but I personally believe that PHENOM is already obsolete technology. And until I see benchies that prove otherwise, I will continue to plan on a penryn (or Q6600) system for my gaming needs =D

hey

Yes the gain from SSE4 are very impressive with the applications that are coded for it.

And there is no doubt that intel's manufacturing is excellent currently when it comes to overclocking.

I do think we all need to do the wait and see approach at the moment. i'm not saying that Phenom is gonna get like a huge 20% increase from just getting the quicker memory access. However its a brand new processor generation. Just look at the P4 which started out as a POS duck, then turned into a eagle by northwood.