Are the tests performed with the TLB fix or not?

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Somebody needs to put intel in their place, back on the bottom where they belong. They don't care about consumers or enthusiasts, they are just here to make a buck. AMD needs a better roadmap if they inted to get 50% market share by Q2 2008. If intel gets there way and AMD goes down, nobody will get performance for their money, the chips would be slow and overpirced. They would have no reason to improve because there is no competition, so for the love of god we'd better hope AMD does some very serious thinking about how to beat a non true-quad-core processor with theirs!!

I wish AMD could pull itself together. Being an enthusiast, i am going to build my computers with the best parts I can for the cash, but in the long run, having one company dominate is only going to prevent innovation and prices from dropping.

Perhaps having it has to do with Intel being 30x larger than AMD.

u should measure whole system power consumption, not CPU alone. It's pointless, considering chipsets for intel platform are real power hogs.

anyway, one should remember that 2,6 kentsfield can be easily OC'd to 3 ghz on any decent 965 mobo with stock cooling (just set FSB to 1333 and that's it). cant beat this i guess.

Imagine what they could do once they license Transmeta?

imagine what AMD can do once they license Transmeta

Good article, and an even better and realistic "Conclusion".

...well?, that is exactly what you get when you "...rest on your laurels..." which is exactly what AMD(Hector Ruiz) allowed to happen to themselves.

So, wait -a go Hector! you pompous fooool.

Atleast with ATI GPU's they can now build their very own AMD Motherboard(s) from top to bottom. whooopee !
So, now AMD should completely open all their hardware product and programming documentation(s), and that way they can (atleast TRY to) become a very dominant, influential and performance oriented player for ALL the Linux/BSD/OpenSolaris Unix's on desktops.
(In other words, AMD can stop "cowtowing" to just M$)
And hopefully that will endear them to all us Linux/Unix users and AMD can begin their slow climb back up through the "real" Hardware/NetOS Development doors.

Your Techs as usual did a great job in all areas thx for the info

Good overall article. You should include Core 2 Duo 6600 for comparsion. Phenom not looking good in the end =/

Interesting review,

What's sad is Intel's old i975x chipset in the BX2 can clock my Q6600 G-0 to 390x9 or 3.51GHz.

Of course on P35 or X38 it will do 423x9 on air. Still I think the BX2 does well compared to other i975x products.

If you aren't using multi GPU configurations P35 and a Q6600 G-0 are great price vs performance selections.

hahaha.... Phenom is even a shitty upgrade path for AM2 users

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/12/26/phenom_motherboa ds/

bleh. i'm not getting a new computer until they have 8 cores in PC's. think that will happen by the end of 2008?

Mainconcept H264 is most taxing and most multicore-optimised software and Phenom scored very well. May be Phenoms next revision become table turner.

Also i have a question since the instructions composing SEE are open standard instructions, why AMD is forbiden by Intel to introduce all the instruction except some allowed.

Does this have something to do with 1995/1999 Intel-AMD secret agreement and court decision. I believe yes. I guess its time AMD should debate on it in public a little, without going into specifics but clear customers of why in case of SSE, AMD seems to be living on charity by Intel.

Much like people in general, AMD had a hard time dealing with success.

During the Netburst vs. K8 days, AMD was in a clear position of success for, arguably, the first time in the company's history.

When people fight the same battles for so long in their lives, they begin to make the fight part of their own existence. Once the fight is over, they feel that part of their existence has ended. They celebrate for a little bit (and they should--they should be proud of what they accomplished), but once the celebration is over, life suddenly feels empty. "Boredom with success" if you will.

AMD had a lesser version of "Boredom with success." At that point, they had no idea how to deal with it, so like people that are bored, they do reckless things to make life more exciting. In AMD's case, it's buying ATI.

They were too busy celebrating/being bored/being reckless/grandiose to come up with an answer to Conroe/Core 2.

Wow... I like AMD. But AMD is very not good..
AMD Please cheer up I am korean, so I'm not good english

Mmmm doesnt mention prices of the intels? that would be interesting

I certainly won't attempt to veil my motive in the ritual and excuse common to most AMD buyers and I must confess, these most recent numbers in combination with the failed Quad FX platform have truly disappointed me and cast serious doubts on AMD's future performance. However, all Intel procs now come standard with a less-advertised but none-the-less important feature which will steer me from Intel as long as I can hold out--standard HARD DRM. What started in the Pent. D series of procs has now grown into a more standard and mature implementation of the Trusted Computing Group's TPM implementation. Essentially, a TPM generates as static, strong encryption layer between you, your hardware, and your software. Your software has to jump through a series of hoops to ensure that it gains access to hardware resources. Essentially, if the switch is flipped in Vista (and some comments made by the concerned parties seem to make it sound like a matter of time rather than circumstance) the TPM becomes active and all of your lovely instructions get encrypted by the TPM and you get locked out. I'm sure it won't be an overnight thing, like you just get one update and BAM! you're done, but at the same time, I don't like that they actually spent time and money to build this feature into their hardware and it just sits there awaiting the possibility of activation.

Also, if this seems all sorta alien to you, just look up some of the stuff, I'm tired and don't really feel like explaining the whole dumb story.

I'll miss you, AMD for a few years from now, and welcome Intel to my office, and my new CPUs.

CrysYs? wow... Why here :-(