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Discussion on Article:
Contemporary Dual-Core Processors Shootout
If AMD goes down we will all be in touble and you will see Intell CPU prices go through the roof. Plus you will be stuck with the Core architecture for the next 100 years.
O BTW AMD aint going nowhere..........dude...............
is released.I don't want to see AMD disappear but I'm not going to spend my $ on an inferior
product either.I also don't remember AMD cutting us any slack pricewise when their chips
were the best-an FX used to cost $1000+ not so long ago.Brand loyalty is bullshit-I will buy
whatever is the best bang for my buck.
Also the street prices for the 8400 is quite a bit higher than the MRSP (most places sell it for around $220 USD).
And the 8200 is almost a paper launch with availability looking to be in April.
Finally my personal choices in each price range would be the E8400, X2 5200+ (65w 2x1MB L2 core) and the E2160 (but only if OCed).
The price points and performance near the low-end are all quite close so it other factors become quite important such as temps, if OCing, MB pricing, etc.
To compare the 3.18ghz E8500 to 3.2ghz amd cpu that is clocked to max is right out of the amd play book!
Try comparing a E8500 at 4ghz or 4.5ghz then rewrite this. Sorry guys you do good stuff but no overclocking kills the article.
Note sure if your guys heard this, but HP and Dell now overclock computers! Its main stream and part of configuring a good system. Fix the article please!
as we all know if the best amd cpu and the best intel cpu where properly tuned (overclocking too noobies) the intel lead would be proportional to the overclock or about 25% higher.
now that i see some fire on this site i will spend more then 1 min typing my opinion. Again. xbit should have overclocked the chips too - i love this site. I am really disappointed in the fact that you did not overclock and show the real potential of the 8000 series chips.
Warpedsystems is shipping 4.25ghz air cooled E8400 systems for less then $2000, go head and try that with the amd cpu!
Back to the debate as "best" says a 1% gain? Ya try 25% plsu! We all know that there is huge difference in responsiveness for nothing there is not cost to oc the system. Why do HP and Dell only oc their flagship systems?
Unlike Dell and Hp who only overclock their $7000 flagships we oc every system. We do it first and we do it better they anyone.
ps: xbit please redo this excellent article with oc! Yes, i am critical but i still gave it a 10!
I was started to get disappointed in Xbits lately because of their very late video card reviews, but their handling in regard to the CPUs as of late has been very impressive indeed.
And no, contraty to what "Dragonslayer" (how old are you, 10?) says, not including overclocking results does not "kill" the article. Most buyers do not overclock and I think most are much more interested in aspects such as power consumption heat and price/performance.
It would seem that AMD would have an advantage since its processors utilize higher specs on its L1 caches.
Just curious.If the numbers would change at all using the same charts and tests.Just loading the Vista 64,or XP 64. With them.
I'm not sure about that last time I checked AMD CPUs where much cooler.
Why do you guys think Intel doesn’t release 3.4, 3.6, 3.8, 4.0Ghz CPU out of the box it they OC that high? AMD has 3.2Ghz CPUs manufactured at antic 90nm!!!
Maybe thermals is the answer, or the stupid lack of competition is still the common excuse?
I didn’t saw AMD halting the release of faster Atlhlons64/X2 just because the Pentium4/D sucked.
Also AMD systems have much better IGP for its platforms. Last time I checked Intel IGP still suck at all tasks except linux.
Remember all those facts when you see read the article.
PS: Where the E6xxx go? Seems like Intel no longer sells those.
no reason to buy AMD now...except the HD3870.
Where does the rest (97 watts) go?
I would love to see the breakdown(memory, NB, hdd, vrm) of the power consumption in an future article. But i think it will be too hard to measure, even for you guys.
the mentioned previous test: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/intel-wolfdale_11.html#sect0
AMD all the way!!
For the value / price ratio also some words would be jsutified that the majority of AMD mainboards has a few dollars advantage.
Intel surely has teh top, but the mid-range seems to be pretty much a tie.
Check out retail prices on newegg or any other big vendor and compare to the table Xbitlabs uses in this article.
The prices of the AMD processors are listed about 4-15% over the retail level while the Intel processors are listed 8-19% under the retail prices!!!
This is a gross factual misrepresentation unworthy of this site, which i have generaly found to be trustworthy.
Let's take for instance prices on newegg vs. the listed prices in the article:
Pentium E2160: 79$ vs. 64$ = +23,4%
Pentium E2180: 85$ vs. 74$ = +14,9%
Pentium E2200: 94$ vs. 84$ = +11,9%
C2D E4500: 123$ vs. 113$ = + 8,8%
C2D E4600: 144$ vs. 133$ = + 8,3%
C2D E8400: 230$ vs. 183$ = +25,7%
Avrage: 13.5% more expensive than Xbitlabs reference prices (exluding E8400 due to possible overpricing)
X2 4200+: 64$ vs. 68$ = -6,3%
X2 4400+: 70$ vs. 78$ = -11,4%
X2 4800+: 85$ vs. 89$ = -4,7%
X2 5000+: 90$ vs. 104$ = -15,6%
X2 5200+: 110$ vs. 125$ = -13,6%
X2 5600+: 140$ vs. 146$ = -4,3%
X2 6000+: 160$ vs. 167$ = -4,4%
X2 6400+: 170$ vs. 178$ = -4,7%
Average: 8,1% cheaper that Xbitlabs reference prices
The bottomline is that now we have a relative price/performance parity between Intel and AMD in the low-end segment. Of course AMD platforms are relatilvely cheaper than Intel platforms due to simpler design (i.e. no memory controller on the north-bridge), the Intel processors today have much better overclocking headroom.
I have never seen such unbalance before on Xbitlabs, and this worries me.
You may have missed that part of the articvle...
"These are the today’s best buys, if you can find them at the price close to Intel’s official one (unfortunately, it is hardly possible until the market gets saturated with 45nm solutions). "
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