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AMD’s Next-Gen Micro-Architecture in Development, Bulldozer Samples Due in 2009 – AMD.

Started by: RtFusion | Date 04/22/08 11:37:10 AM

Comments: 20 | Last Comment: 06/28/08 03:43:03 AM

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*gets ready for the impending bashing*

I'll get people started:

"AMD sucks" -and the rest of the derivatives of

"Intel rules" -and the rest of the derivatives of

That should cover much of it.

*goes inside the Anti-Shit Tank for protection against brainless morons"

Now that's out of the way, I can say that this looks decent; if it comes out correctly.

[Posted by: RtFusion | Date: 04/22/08 11:37:10 AM]

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" AMD’s K8 lived for 4 years, but was meant to live for 3.5 years. "

I hope AMD doesn't expect Phenom to live 3.5 to 4 years. They are only kidding themselves (and their investors).

Intel's tick-tock would have 2 new architectures released over a 4 year time period.

Intel will be long past Nehalem, and onto 32nm Gesher by 2011. Will Bulldozer be able to compete with that schedule?

It's no wonder AMD is struggling.

[Posted by: EndPCNoise | Date: 04/22/08 11:41:35 AM]

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It wont feature SSE5 because AMD cannot make SSE instructions

[Posted by: 1234 | Date: 04/22/08 01:40:44 PM]

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AMD released SSE4, why Intel had to call there SSE4 4.1. AMD can use SSE name. It was months ago when AMD talked about SSE5, how it will combine reorder instructions so you can do more instrustions pre cycle. If I remeber correctly Intels SSE5 was to focus on speeding up reading/writing/converting text/ascii to binary format. Both SSE5 are going to be awesome!

[Posted by: Hokum22 | Date: 04/23/08 05:31:17 AM]

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about sse(3) instructions...

One advantage of 3DNow! is that it is possible to add or multiply the two numbers that are stored in the same register. With SSE, each number can only be combined with a number in the same position in another register. This capability, known as horizontal in Intel terminology, was the major addition to the SSE3 instruction set.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3DNow%21

how greatly innovative is intel in matter of new instructions..

[Posted by: abw | Date: 04/24/08 05:26:39 PM]

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Do you know who invent the AGP? PCI Express? High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection (HDCP) ?

I don't think AMD was capable of invent anything like that... lalala~ :)

[Posted by: V-tanium | Date: 04/24/08 06:32:32 PM]

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agp and pci express are innovative?...lol..
agp is an extended pci bus with increased frequency..
and pci express is nothing else in fact that extending the agp like bus to the
other slots....you call innovation evolution willingly created to screw users and
make them change their hardware..
but surely that the hypertransport bus used by
amd is not as innovative..in fact so retarded that intel
use it as well with a different protocol under the name "quickpath"..to better solutions?..))

[Posted by: abw | Date: 04/25/08 07:58:00 AM]

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AMD innovative?!?

Remember AMD started as an x86 cloner that copied everything from Intel!

[Posted by: AMD Phanboy | Date: 04/26/08 05:23:20 PM]

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AMD created HyperTransport. It is innovative in a way that components designed for it, can get an increase performance through DMA and a straight shot to the processor. Also it is serial and network bus, so the components can be further from the processor or any where and co-processors can be used to provide extra performance for the main processor. It is also an open bus unlike Intel's CSI or QuickPath.I do not see QuickPath better than HyperTransport.

AMD's 64-bit instruction set for 80x86 was won over Intel's 64-bit instruction set for 80x86 because it provides a lot of features for now and the future. Intel reverse engineer AMD64 and named it EM64T.

AMD has hit two blows at Intel since K8 processor was introduced. Unfortunately, they struggled after they acquire ATI and the TLB bugs with their K10 core. Any company struggles when things go wrong. Intel struggled to get where they are now.

Both 80x86 processor makers are innovators in their own way. It depends how well they sale their produces matters who will win.

[Posted by: linuxnerd | Date: 04/26/08 06:41:03 PM]

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AMD did not create hypertransport. look it up. They are just using the technology.

[Posted by: Know your facts. | Date: 04/28/08 08:42:27 AM]

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AMD began developing the HyperTransport™ I/O link architecture in 1997.

HyperTransport technology, formerly codenamed Lightning Data Transport (LDT), was developed at AMD with the help of industry partners.

AMD has disclosed HyperTransport technology specifications under non-disclosure agreement (NDA) to over 170 companies interested in building products that incorporate this technology.

AMD is releasing the specifications to an industry-supported non-profit trade association in the fall of 2001.

The HyperTransport Consortium will manage and refine the specifications, and promote the adoption and deployment of HyperTransport technology.

San Jose, Calif., July 24, 2001 -- A coalition of high-tech industry leaders today announced the formation of the HyperTransport™ Technology Consortium, a nonprofit corporation that supports the future development and adoption of AMD's HyperTransport I/O Link specification.

[Posted by: JcK | Date: 04/29/08 02:17:52 PM]

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Thank you for the clarifications AMD!!!

It's now official!! AMD will continue to screw up for the rest of the Phenom life!!

COOL

[Posted by: AMD Suckers United | Date: 04/22/08 06:12:56 PM]

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AMD is only good at making roadmap presentations these days!!! They will continue to have crappy products for a couple more years!!!

[Posted by: anti-"AMD Fanboy" | Date: 04/22/08 06:20:34 PM]

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AMD again? Are they not bankroupt yet???

[Posted by: Tavix | Date: 04/22/08 09:33:34 PM]

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Intel is fighting domestic-market saturation...in other words, if they don't release something next year that massively outruns what they released last year, their sales stagnate and all they get is replacement business. Of course, developers and game designers play their part...gotta have a new system to do/play X.

AMD, frankly, is a specialty producer that whores themselves in retail to keep volume to support their server products. Sometimes enthusiasts find value with them, sometimes not. But they are a long, long way from having any real control in the X86 market.

Look at it this way, Intel could without much effort, supply 100% of the PC market within 60-90 days if AMD closed shop. The reverse would simply not happen.

Intel of 2009 must have a substantial win against Intel 2007...their only real competition is their previous self. Prices will never again be in the $1000's for modest processors...unless a new 'killer app' comes along that everyone's gotta have (and current hardware chokes on).

[Posted by: mark1 | Date: 04/27/08 09:25:52 PM]

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This article overlooks some important aspects:
AMD does not have the same production setup they used to. The reason their transitions used to take so long was because they had to do the shrinks and the architecture revisions from the same fab. Mow they are opening a second fab right next to their old one (Fab 38 joins Fab 36) and they will now be able to also implement a tick-tock cycle.

Because of this, AMD will not let Phenom live another 4 years. That should be quite clear.

[Posted by: Manifesto | Date: 04/28/08 08:57:10 AM]

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Sounds good, I hope the schedule can be brought forward and that we will see a GPU integrated with the CPU, in the same way that a memory controller currently is today.

[Posted by: Garth | Date: 06/28/08 03:43:03 AM]

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