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This Thermaltake closed loop cooler along with Corsair and Antec models are embarrassingly poor coolers even when they aren't leaking. There are many quality HSFs that cost less and perform much better than these CLCs and never leak water that can damage your expensive PC hardware.

"No one can honestly recommend CLCs unless it's impossible to fit a quality HSF. If that's the situation a new case may be money well spent instead of buying a CLC."

Negative.

Some people set goals as getting mATX or even mITX case. There is nothing wrong with that as long as you know what you're doing. It isn't automatically true that just because case is smaller, airflow must suffer. There are many well done mATX/mITX cases (eg. Silverstone ones), where airflow is no worse than in most standard cases and temps you get are no different. They usually do not accomodate huge heatsinks like TR Archon/Macho, Phanteks or NH-D14, so CLC is sensible option. If you want AC with solid performance AND able to meet those size constraints, currently NH-C14 is about the best you can get, with its 105 mm without top fan and 130 mm with one - but you sure can get some low profile fans to fit it in lower cases. And it is much cheaper than those pesky, leaking... oh wait, no. It costs about the same as eg. Corsair H70, providing similar performance.

And BTW, I am running AC (Ninja mini) in my mATX case, which currently provides sufficient performance for my needs, so probably not upgrading to CLC and definitely not defending my purchase in case your agenda missed this.

If you're happy with leak prone and thermally inefficient CLCs then that's your perogative. People who have actually tested them know they are a poor choice and those who have damaged hundreds of dollars in PC hardware know better than use them again.

Most people know better or have learned from real world experiences the hard way and would not recommend these poor cooling system for the reasons noted above in my prior posts - as I have explained to you several times in the past.

As the Frosty Link data shows there are many quality HSFs that out-perform the Corsair/Antec/Thermaltake style CLCs and fit in most cases. If you must use a mATX form factor case then your options are limited but more often than not a proper case is a much better choice than using a very poor CLC system and enduring the associated water damage risk, poor value and poor thermal efficiency.

No one is stopping people from making poor choices. Some folks do it often because they fail to educate themselves. All I can do is present factual information so people can make an informed purchasing decision. Everything I have stated about CLCs is readily confirmed on the web. What people chose to buy is totally up to them. An isolated mATX case is not a legitimate justification for using an inferior closed loop water-cooling system in a PC.

Beenthere is stating the case very well. Liquid cooling today is either a last resort because of space problems, or an uneducated choice. X-Bit Labs and Frostytech are keeping their readers educated on how well things cool and how loud they are. I appreciate that and know pretty much what I'll be buying for my next build.

Don't you think it would have been useful to compare this cooler to the offers from Corsair and Antec? You know, apples to apples...

The newer processors used in computers today are much faster and produce more heat than their predecessors. Heat sinks are being used to help with the heat problem, but they are not always effective. Installing a liquid cooling system is an effective way to combat the heating problem. It can be tricky installing the liquid cooling system because you need to remove some important components inside of your computer. Thanks.
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Thanks for taking the time to discuss this, I feel strongly about it and love learning more on this topic. If possible, as you gain expertise, would you mind updating your blog with more information?
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