X-bit labs

Started by: Laglorden | Date 02/19/04

Comments: 19 | Last Comment:  08/28/06

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1. http://forums.storagereview.net/index.php?showtopic=13821

Yes, I read this thread and even participated in the discussion there. :)
So, what did you want to say by this link?

Dear forum:

This is my first use of this forum. I'm impressed by Xbit and by the detail of the review of the latest Raptor. I'm not a knowledgeable computer person, but am in the process of purchasing a turn-key WIN-XP system for use in professional audio. The system is built/optimized/tested by:

Vision Digital Audio Workstations
http://www.visiondaw.com/systems.asp.

The set-up I will be ordering is as follows:

Standard Features
Cases: 4U Rackmount Chassis 18.5"(W) x 19"(D) x 7"(H)
Processor: Intel Pentium 4 3.2 GHz Extreme Edition
Memory: 2,048MB PC3500 Xtreme Speed Memory (512x4)
Hard Drive 1: Seagate 120GB Ultra ATA100 7200rpm 8MB Hard Drive
Hard Drive 2: 2x36GB WDC Raptor SATA, 10K RPM, 8MB - RAID 0
Optical Drive 1: Lite On 16X DVD-ROM
Floppy Drive: 1.44MB Floppy Drive
Video Card: ATI Radeon 9600 256MB Dual Head Video Card
FireWire (IEEE 1394) Interface: 3 Port FireWire (1394) Interface Card
Keyboard/Mouse Combo: Logitech® Internet Keyboard & Optical Mouse Combo
Operating System: Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition

The "second drive" (there are two of them) is used for the audio applications, samples, etc. These are my questions:

1. Since this company will install, configure, add or change the base set-up, I want to know whether a RAID type 0 (which is what is installed) is the best choice.

2. All of the comments that were made in the review of both the Raptor 1 and 2 HDDs mentioned controllers such as Promise/Silicon, etc and also the RAID controllers: Silicon 3112/Intel ICH5R. In my base unit, the two Raptor HDDs are used in pro audio in the following manner:

Most of the audio programs will use "Disk Streaming," which in audio terms refers to a part of the audio sample being loaded into RAM first, then cross- faded from the hard drives as a live stream. It is very demanding on the computer system. I noticed that the Raptors under this site's test were shown to be behind the SCSI drives when under heavy load (as opposed to linear loads), whatever that means. So in your professional opinion, what are the best drives for this demanding work?

A quick read of the various sites describing RAID types show type 0 to be the fastest, but least secure.

I thank everyone here, in advance, for any help with these matters.

Sincerely,
Phil

2. "Before we turn to the numbers, let us keep a key point in mind- this drive is an evaluation sample. It lacks the tagged command queuing that WD promises will be enabled in shipping units." [1]

this is why yours experiments filed to see a noticable diference in random seeks :)

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[1] http://storagereview.com/articles/200311/20031111WD740GD_1.html

When I was working on this article I already had at hand the results
obtained for a retail WD740GD HDD. I would like to repeat: there was
NO difference between the results of our beta-sample and a retail
product. That is why your conclusion as well as SR's supposition about
TQ being disabled in the sample drives is absolutely wrong.

I provided a screenshot from our utility, which found TQ support by
our WD740GD beta-sample (the drive "reported" about it). But as you
may have noticed, it doesn't matter at all. take a look at SR's
article about a retail WD740GD here:
http://storagereview.com/articles/200401/20040126WD740GD_sp.html

They do not say that there is no TQ in the drive. They claim that
there are no controllers supporting TQ Raptor.

> Though the product itself features firmware-level tagged command queuing, at
> the time of this writing, no appropriate controllers were available from
> several likely manufacturers. TCQ will likely bring significantly better
> performance scaling as multi-user loads increase; as of now, however, it
> remains a future promise. This initial review features the Raptor operating
> with a Promise SATA150TX4 controller.

I also arrived at the same conclusions. Although I assumed that none
of the manufacturers is going to deal with the implementation of ATA
TQ support, while all next-generation HDDs should definitely support
NCQ.

3. Did you try Highpoint's rocketraid 1820 sata controller?
It specifically states on the box that it supports sata command queuing.

http://images10.newegg.com/productimage/16-115-019-01.JPG

http://www.highpoint-tech.com/USA/rr1820.htm

Yes, certainly.

But HPT RR1820 don't work at PCI32, and i test it on another test platform (Intel SHG2/dual XEON etc...).
Unfortunately, WD740GD results have not improved.
I believe, that HPT meant support NCQ, instead of Ultra150/TQ

4. Has anyone done comparisons of RAID arrays using the various SATA RAID controllers which are now on many m-boards?

For example, I know of at least three m-boards that have both Silicon Image's 3112 and Intel's ICH5R controller, both of which are capable of doing both RAID 1 and RAID 0. I have two of these WD740GD's and both of the controllers I mentioned above, but I don't know which one to use. It would have been great to see the tests here done with RAID 1 or RAID 0 arrays on popular controllers.

With RAID arrays becoming more popular, the decision of which controller to use for a RAID array has become a very relevant question. Any ideas where I can find an answer?

5. Very nice product review.

I am interested in how the seagate 15k.3 73g & 36g drives would compare.

Thank you,
Charles

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