They are back to carton based boxes. LoL
They left from the tin cans because they cannot afford it anymore. LoL
Damn AMD shares has dropped by another 10% as we speak.
This is really starting to get ugly.
I hope this is a good wake up call at AMD and start working their buts off to release something that consumers will notice. This is a good thing going on at AMD now and finally fire that idiot Rory.

I have been waiting for the 2nd generation of the FX cpu. Probably will upgrade along with Win8 to get the most improvement (core scheduler in Win8 should be more optimized for the FX).

Glad its (almost) finally here.

8 CORES IS WHAT I NEED FOR ALL OF MY VIRTUAL SYSTEMS RUNNING IN THIS LITTLE I7 920. but i also need some X86 PERFORMANCE not just GPU. it seems as this 2nd gen of FX is also boasting GPU more and only little 10-15% on CPU. from some web reviews it seems as the A10-5800k is still get beaten by this old i7 920 at 2.6 ghz which kills my hope to enjoy 8 cores. for now i think the 6 cores 3930k would handle the job better but just need more $ because it´s near the 600$ for the cpu and another 300+ for the motherboard so nearly = 1,000$ for the upgrade of cpu and mobo only.

OH lawd, the Intel fanboys are at it again, let us bask in this exciting time for AMD, they are at a crossroads which will determine if they will remain in the enthusiast segment. We all know Intel CPU's outperform the AMD flagship, why beat a dead horse, you Intel people have all that extra computing power but you waste it going around gloating on AMD threads. None of this is new, AMD has never really been in direct competition with Intel in regards to performance but they do fill a niche in the market where people prefer AMD over Intel. The new PD modules are a slight improvement over BD, dont expect a massive gain, Steamroller is coasting an extra decoder core per module which will translate to higher IPC and the 28nm fab will ensure better efficiency, that's the one to look out for. AMD is not out of the game yet, and people who want them out are complete idiots because that would bring progress to a stand still and prices would sky rocket. If Intel has no competition, they will milk every penny out of consumers for the tiniest bit of improvement, so we consumers lose. Keep in mind Intel and AMD are moving towards mobile, so touting Intel or any Corp is dumb, the enthusiast segment is becoming increasingly less significant as people are buying more and more mobile technology and clouds are becoming more proliferated. Not to mention enthusiast market is a tiny percentage of total revenue. My point is, AMD is no where near the end, they have been around as long as Intel and have always found a niche to occupy, and if you haven't heard of HSA, look it up, it may well be the standard for technology in the coming years putting AMD at the forefront.

jmlxg and AvonX are the same person, didn't you notice?

well, UNLIKE him/them i DO remember the "happy times" when intel reigned supreme. look it up, fanboy? there was tick-tock then, right? every couple of years, a tick or tock, that was it kiddo...

and pentium III and celeron were DIFFERENT processors, not one sold at different prices? and whats-their-name tx/bx/lx chipsets (intel was only producers of its MBs then) wasn't the same silicon with locked clock ratios? IN FACT, INDEPENDENT MB MANUFACTURERS ALL STARTED THEIR BUSINESS CAUSE THAT INTEL CRAP

sure, THE GOOD TIMES. we should have intel monopoly again!

and you don't know absolutely nothing about CPU manufacture or market, jmlxg/AvonX kid.

personally, i wish YOU to live in your dreamland where there is only intel (oh, use their graphics too, they always ruled - i mean every GC intel ever made was uber-crap, and was sold in enormous quantities - mainly integrated, but so-called "real" GC also - look it up, why don't you?) - but i don't want it for myself. or the rest of the world

amd cpus may be crap compared to intel in enthusiast/middle segment, but no way in hell i'm spending 300$ on CPU who will wait for me all the time, built on 22microns or not. same goes for 250$+ GPU, btw

nearly every household has a computer now, often more than one. what do you use your for?
rendering? go intel!
compressing movies? go intel!
endlessly compressing/decompressing archives? go intel!

surfing/office/medium gaming? well, i7 is waste of money, i5 is crap for gaming (as APU) unless you buy GPU, therefore 300$+
understand than many of computers are used for light office, watching movies, playing flash games, facebook etc. intel flagships are overkill - sure, they wait much faster and it is well worth 300$. lots of people buy whole computer with monitor for 500$ or less. and are satisfied with them.

hopefully, you are wiser now, and will realize that i3 is often cap for home computers, and think more in that range. and we are talking about major market segment. not every household has pimple-infested maniac who braggs about his CPU test results whole day - mine has none, but has 4 computers (3 amd and 1 intel, all pretty old - but hey! all can run diablo3)

if i feel irresistible urge to spend 200-300$, it will be on bigger screens, hdds or something - NOT CPU from any producer. maybe next year i'll replace them all. or when i find them not doing their job fast enough. but not right now

sorry for a wall of text, and i know i fed the troll right now, but hopefully he'll share some of his "insights" now, so we can all laugh a bit

hey maybe you work for amd? making everyone sick of yourself, and intel altogether? HAHAHAHA, your dirty little secret is revealed!

What the intel fan girls fail to realise is that the last proc intel bought out was 3-5% at the most faster than sandy bridge amd piledriver will be about 15% better than bulldozer in single threaded tasks and a fair bit better in multi tasking making vishera around 5% ish worse at single threaded tasks as a 2700k and much better in highly threaded programs and thats without overclocking the nuts off of it even if u get a modest 15% oc it will wipe the floor with most of intels offerings yet it will cost considerably less plus the motherboards cost at least $60 less on amd and triple channel ddr costs more and I will be able to stick a steamroller proc in the slot in a years time instead of paying another $125 dollers for another motherboard so how will piledriver (vishera) be rubbish and a fail I dont see how it can be possible

Those of you who are waiting for steamroller based stuff for 2013 can now officially forget about it. ALL steamroller based things are postponed to 2014. OUCH that means excavator until 2015?
That is if they make it that far.
Good job Rory, you are the best. (sarcasm)

LOL. Where's improved IPC on this NEW BRAND NEW CHIP. DAMN is going to sell us their chips just like in days of Cyrix 6x86 CPUs which was on pair with 486DX2. I really liked DAMN products in past but this Crapdozer really looksalike a NASTY SYNDICALIZED SCHEME of poor ENERGY-RESELLERS to snach our money if we use this kind of products ... 4,0GHz is still on pair with 32nm i7-2600K which btw works @3,4GHz ... it's 15% slower frequency with a looot of headroom. And old B1 (Zambezi) could be hardly OCd to 5GHz let say this reach 6GHz-15% means 2600K@5,1GHz will easily beat it. And 2600k is only 24month old CPU

And we get budget water cooler included in stunning 325USD deal .... woooow.

Can everyone stop arguing with these two idiots from nvidia (AvonX and jmlxg)

No matter what happens, AMD will always have faster CPU/APU/GPU/IGP than nvidia

Strongly recommend to Buy. Better value for Money. Experience is outstanding.

Vishera is 10-15% better than Zambezi and an excellent value based on retail pricing at only $208. for the FX-8350 model.

In addition many people will be able to OC the Vishera CPUs to close to 5 GHz. on air, more under water and they scale well and use less power, so there is even more value for the technical capable. (Haters need not apply).

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