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Sony Readies High-End Smartphones to Compete Against Apple iPhone, Samsung Galaxy S.

Started by: BestJinjo | Date 11/16/12 02:09:22 PM
Comments: 8 | Last Comment:  12/20/16 12:46:14 PM

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This sound great!! More competition at the high-end among the best worldphone makers can only mean many more choices for consumers, price competition and constant innovation.

In 2013 we should see 5 inch phones with 1080P screens:
2 2 [Posted by: BestJinjo  | Date: 11/16/12 02:09:22 PM]
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ARM cortex A15 can't fit into smartphones it uses too much power. Check anandtech review on the ARM chromebook. Qualcoom S4 also uses too much power because the phone overheats when its used.
1 2 [Posted by: j7  | Date: 11/16/12 02:30:05 PM]
Not true. You need to distinguish how power-efficient the A15 and Krait microarchitectures can be, as opposed to how efficient the current generation of tablet-optimized SoCs are making them.

The chips that you cite are optimized for tablets and are running the CPU at high clocks/voltages. In addition, the current S4 parts are on TSMC's 28 nm LP process, which is not their lowest leakage/power variant (at least not any more).

Samsung is less public about their process technologies, but based on clockspeed it appears that the chip used in the Chromebook was optimized for speed rather than for power. It is instructive to observe how Apple is able to fab both their regular (A5, A6, etc) and "X-series" (A5X, A6X) SoCs (system on chip) on the same Samsung process family. The part you cite in the Chromebook is the equivalent of an Apple X-series SoC.

It should be possible to get the A15 down within a much lower power envelope by reducing clockspeed and voltage, and by using a lower-leakage process variant like TSMCs 28-HPL (High-K, low-power).

Note in particular that:

1. Non-leakage power goes as clock speed times voltage
2. Max clockspeed is ~linear with voltage

This means that reducing clockspeed by ~30% reduces non-leakage power by ~50%. Couple that with a lower-leakage high-K process and you could easily cut overall power in half.

I'm personally not a huge fan of the ARM architecture, but one must be fair/honest about these things...
1 1 [Posted by: patrickjchase  | Date: 11/18/12 01:16:55 PM]
And then it still barely fit into a phone. Of course history repeats itself. This happened with ARM Cortex A8 it was a lot faster than ARM11 but it was inefficient just like the ARM Cortex A15. I am sure that the ARM Cortex A57 will use less power.
0 0 [Posted by: j7  | Date: 11/19/12 07:30:57 PM]
In 2020 we should see 10 inch phones. In 2050 we will travel around on top of 40" flying phones.
2 0 [Posted by: ET3D  | Date: 11/18/12 04:46:12 AM]
Absolutely true! The era of gadgets is coming to its peak. Every student nowadays is wearing headphones and a phone. Two gadgets at minimum if not more. Everything can be done online now - writing, editing, essay writing service, typing tests, etc.
Look at the future of education - what should be a home task or assignment? What will professors do with those who are likely to purchase papers?
0 0 [Posted by: Samantha Wilson  | Date: 12/20/16 12:46:14 PM]

Yet another $ony fail in the making
1 1 [Posted by: alpha0ne  | Date: 11/17/12 09:29:59 PM]

I have lost faith in SE long time ago. But they used to have some good phones.
My old w550i served me well while I transitioned from a crappy LG GT540 to a Samsung Galaxy S1.
1 0 [Posted by: nitro912gr  | Date: 11/18/12 01:22:09 PM]


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