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Globalfoundries to Start 14nm Tests in Q1 2013 - Company.

Started by: tks | Date 12/05/12 12:51:04 AM
Comments: 26 | Last Comment:  12/14/12 08:57:05 AM

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Another set back for AMD ...........
12 8 [Posted by: tks  | Date: 12/05/12 12:51:04 AM]
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11 14 [Posted by: linuxlowdown  | Date: 12/05/12 01:02:50 AM]
AMD and GLOBALFOUNDRIES (GF) have had a WSA in place since the formation of GF in March 2009, expiring by 2024.

On March 4, 2012, AMD executed a second amendment to its WSA with GF. Key elements of the amendment:
1) Wafer pricing established:
• AMD and GLOBALFOUNDRIES negotiated fixed wafer pricing in 2012
• Established a framework for wafer pricing in 2013
2) $430 million payment obligation from 2011 WSA amendment is waived.
3) Waives the exclusivity arrangement for AMD to manufacture certain 28nm APU products at GLOBALFOUNDRIES for a specified period. As a result:
• AMD agreed to pay GF a cash payment of $425 million over a period of two AMD fiscal years.
• AMD transferred all of its remaining ownership interest in GF* to GF, and no longer has a GF board seat.
Where does it say they cancelled it?
7 3 [Posted by: seronx  | Date: 12/05/12 02:51:31 AM]
Yes, they have a conditional wafer agreement for 28nm. So I stand corrected on the point. But I still stand by the other things I said. I just wonder how Gloflo - AMD relations will pan out for other nodes. GloFlo manufacturing issues put AMD behind. And AMD no longer has any controlling or financial interests in the company. I would be surprised if they signed exclusivity agreements again. But probably that is how business is done. It is reported that TMSC wants to open another fab in New York state. So more competition is good for the industry and consumers.
10 12 [Posted by: linuxlowdown  | Date: 12/05/12 03:53:15 AM]
3rd bullet.
9 0 [Posted by: sirroman  | Date: 12/05/12 07:53:07 AM]
That is ownership for GlobalFoundries not the Wafer Supply Agreement.
4 5 [Posted by: seronx  | Date: 12/05/12 11:21:20 AM]

Gawd what a disappointment AGAIN for AMD.. We need the competition but yet again, like RIM/BB, they are falling way behind in the market. We need a good competitor to stand to Intel in the high end mainstream performance market otherwise the impetus to speed up innovation will slow. COME ON AMD... stop slack'n!!!!
8 4 [Posted by: thudo  | Date: 12/05/12 08:21:48 AM]
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3 7 [Posted by: tks  | Date: 12/05/12 09:15:58 AM]

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8 15 [Posted by: Avon4Balls  | Date: 12/05/12 09:32:42 AM]
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**** FBI Warning ****

The above content contains extreme views and is not suitable for general consumption.

P.S. I see that your partner troll in crimes against AMD has been banned again. But I see he is still patrolling the site and down voting with his 8+ multiple aliases. He's a sad little turd. You should openly discourage him or be held complicit and follow the same fate.

P.S.(2) I expect the 8 to double as he double dips the down votes.
10 9 [Posted by: linuxlowdown  | Date: 12/05/12 06:27:25 PM]
I can smell an Intel fanboy here like a pile of excrement in an elevator on a hot day. And you linuxlowdown are painted a shade of green yourself. AMD have had a lot of bad news. This article is not some of that bad news. The bad news is mainly that they're running short of cash. They negoitated a poor deal to get rid of Global Foundaries. But the situation at that time was severe for AMD. The current wafer agreement is still hurting the balance sheet. The situation will show some marginal improvement next year with some console cash and perhaps some Microsoft surface cash coming in. However the flat desktop market and losing new customers in servers to Intel and delayed AMD customer server upgrades due to financial conditions is hurting. Rory Read has one of the toughest jobs at the moment. Probably being the CEO of OCZ is only tougher right now.
9 5 [Posted by: fanboyslayer  | Date: 12/05/12 11:07:58 PM]
Can you blame me for giving up some inpartiality to combat the BS from Avon and 1234 and their hoard of troll aliases? My tone and language in the beginning were more conciliatory and my analysis unbiased. I was more than happy to give AMD a bollocking because I want them to identify and learn from their mistakes. But things have deteriorated in the forums of Xbit. Politics is being played out rather than fruitful tech discussions. That's what's turned me a shade of green as it makes me nauseas. I would like to see the mod police the bad eggs or give some mod powers to the greybeards. Let's smoke out the fanboys.
9 8 [Posted by: linuxlowdown  | Date: 12/05/12 11:40:00 PM]
You might end up getting kicked off here too if that were the case.
11 1 [Posted by: fanboyslayer  | Date: 12/06/12 12:34:47 AM]
I would highly doubt it. I reckon people can work out for themselves that I'm not a tech troll in geeks clothing. But if it were to happen - if users deemed that I was not a constructive contributor then I would accept it with grace. I would not come back multiple times with multiple aliases to rampage through the forums like Avon. I contribute for the love of it, not for any paid income from vested interests.
9 9 [Posted by: linuxlowdown  | Date: 12/06/12 01:01:16 AM]

Another misleading story... to bash AMD.

Anyone with a clue knows that Intel's node and transistor change from Sandy Bridge to Ivy Bridge was NOT a great transition. In fact the only thing Intel gained was lower power consumption via the 22nm node, not the tri-gate or FinFET transistor design which turned out to be very poor. It's bad enough that Intel has abandoned the Ivy Bridge trigate design for future processors.

Of course the above bias story doesn't mention the issues that Intel experienced with IB such as running hot, minimal overclocking ability and high costs. All we hear is how great the power savings is. In actual use you might not even see a significant difference in power consumption.

Sheeple are easily duped.

BTW, Global Foundries just increased their stake in AMD from 15% to 19% so someone has confidence in AMD's future and they are spending their money to prove it.
11 11 [Posted by: beenthere  | Date: 12/05/12 10:22:54 AM]
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7 12 [Posted by: Avon4Balls  | Date: 12/05/12 10:33:26 AM]
AMD won. Intel is leaving x86 for better things. AMD is staying LGA while Intel is going BGA.
5 5 [Posted by: seronx  | Date: 12/05/12 11:19:10 AM]
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7 11 [Posted by: Avon4Balls  | Date: 12/05/12 11:32:01 AM]
Intel is leaving the computer enthusiast and Taiwanese OEM motherboard makers high and dry. On the other hand, AMD has pledged to support socket bound CPUs. Intel's move to BGA is gonna piss off a lot of Intel supporters. Expect a backlash from Taiwan. It's pure arrogance.
10 11 [Posted by: linuxlowdown  | Date: 12/05/12 09:24:16 PM]
Well that's the view of Semiaccurate. We'll see how it plays out.
11 0 [Posted by: fanboyslayer  | Date: 12/05/12 11:27:18 PM]
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4 11 [Posted by: sanity  | Date: 12/05/12 11:30:51 AM]
Not Global Foundries but Mubadala Investment Group. They own both GF and AMD stocks. They exercised their warrants to increase their stake from 15% to 19% in AMD.
0 0 [Posted by: BestJinjo  | Date: 12/14/12 08:57:05 AM]

I do not think AMD is just not going to launch any new Opteron and FX processors next year.

IDK why everybody is saying that in the news and I honesty believe they are wrong.

If they're not wrong, then there's something wrong with AMD.

Sure AMD pushed back Steamroller. I think this is a decision made or influenced by Jim Keller. I think he believes that he will actually FIX the modular design and he needs additional time for the supplementary development.

I will not be surprised if Steamroller will bring an impressive 30% to 40% performance jump in 2014.

But this is not the only reason for AMD to push back Steamroller.

The second reason is the fact that the 28nm process has been ready at GlobalFoundries for more than 1 year and the FD-SOI upgrade is able to offer more than a 50% improvement in frequency or power consumption.

Therefore AMD does not need a new architecture in 2013.

I believe the company will simply move the current 32nm FX and Opteron processors on the 28nm FD-SOI process and that's upgrade enough.

The move will make the processors smaller and more profitable while lowering the power consumption and increasing the frequency potential.

A simple 28nm SOI migration will likely bring at least a 20% frequency OR power consumption improvement and even this 20% is upgrade enough.

On the other hand, if the company moves the Piledriver CPU's to a FD-SOI enhanced 28nm process, I expect more than a 40% improvement.

It will be AMD's choice if those 40% will be on the frequency/ performance side or on the power consumption/ efficiency side or a balanced ratio between the two.

But I believe that AMD WILL have new AM3+ and server processors next year.

On the other hand, if I'm wrong, then I admit that I don't understand the company's logic at all, right now.

The current Piledriver FX 8350 is competitive with Intel's 2500K.

A 40% performance jump (thanks to a successful transition to a smaller FD-SOI manufacturing process) will bring it to Ivy Bridge level.

A 2014 30% to 40% performance jump thanks to a transition to the "smarter" Steamroller architecture will actually make AMD's CPUs competitive with Intel's future processors.

If AMD competing head to head with Intel's 2014 CPUs is optimistic, AMD not moving to 28nm in 2013 is simply idiotic IMHO.

I find it absolutely impossible for AMD to just sit with 32nm Piledriver processors throughout the whole next year.
3 1 [Posted by: East17  | Date: 12/05/12 04:00:38 PM]
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"I find it absolutely impossible for AMD to just sit with 32nm Piledriver processors throughout the whole next year."

You should thank RR for that.
I think its clear enough, i don't need to get into details.

"Sure AMD pushed back Steamroller. I think this is a decision made or influenced by Jim Keller. I think he believes that he will actually FIX the modular design and he needs additional time for the supplementary development."

Nope, if it was Jim Keller's choice he would of scrapped this architecture completely because its useless.
Then again they might be starting from scratch to fix the issues or to scrap it and start from scratch with a new architecture. Maybe that is why there would be nothing for 2013.
9 11 [Posted by: Avon4Balls  | Date: 12/05/12 05:01:28 PM]
You never get into too much detail Avon because your arguments are mostly baseless. I see you get 8 thumbs up for your nonesense. That is either 1234's (now banned) multiple aliases or yours. Stop the site rigging. Your views have very little support in reality because they are extreme. You are the Taliban of tech preaching one way to process data. Are you even capable of saying one bad thing about Intel although you've been indoctrinated with their marketing?
10 9 [Posted by: linuxlowdown  | Date: 12/05/12 09:42:56 PM]
Jim Keller has nothing to do with pushing back Steamroller development. The truth is AMD is short of operating cash big time and needs to get into tablets, ultrabooks and low power data severs like yesterday. Engineering resources have been slashed. And what's left is working on those 3 areas. High end server and desktop chips are on the back burner.
10 0 [Posted by: fanboyslayer  | Date: 12/05/12 11:53:59 PM]


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