I wouldn't call it a setback. AMD no longer has an exclusive wafer agreement with Gloflo. But its fair to say that AMD isn't going to be ready for proper 14nm for 4+ years. I imagine Gloflo would be properly tooled for that when the time comes. In the mean time, AMD designs must be engineered superior to Intel's (at the same node) to be competitive, with Intel a couple of nodes ahead now.

Where does it say they cancelled it?

Yes, they have a conditional wafer agreement for 28nm. So I stand corrected on the point. But I still stand by the other things I said. I just wonder how Gloflo - AMD relations will pan out for other nodes. GloFlo manufacturing issues put AMD behind. And AMD no longer has any controlling or financial interests in the company. I would be surprised if they signed exclusivity agreements again. But probably that is how business is done. It is reported that TMSC wants to open another fab in New York state. So more competition is good for the industry and consumers.

3rd bullet.

That is ownership for GlobalFoundries not the Wafer Supply Agreement.

Unstoppable Downfall......

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P.S. I see that your partner troll in crimes against AMD has been banned again. But I see he is still patrolling the site and down voting with his 8+ multiple aliases. He's a sad little turd. You should openly discourage him or be held complicit and follow the same fate.

P.S.(2) I expect the 8 to double as he double dips the down votes.

I can smell an Intel fanboy here like a pile of excrement in an elevator on a hot day. And you linuxlowdown are painted a shade of green yourself. AMD have had a lot of bad news. This article is not some of that bad news. The bad news is mainly that they're running short of cash. They negoitated a poor deal to get rid of Global Foundaries. But the situation at that time was severe for AMD. The current wafer agreement is still hurting the balance sheet. The situation will show some marginal improvement next year with some console cash and perhaps some Microsoft surface cash coming in. However the flat desktop market and losing new customers in servers to Intel and delayed AMD customer server upgrades due to financial conditions is hurting. Rory Read has one of the toughest jobs at the moment. Probably being the CEO of OCZ is only tougher right now.

Can you blame me for giving up some inpartiality to combat the BS from Avon and 1234 and their hoard of troll aliases? My tone and language in the beginning were more conciliatory and my analysis unbiased. I was more than happy to give AMD a bollocking because I want them to identify and learn from their mistakes. But things have deteriorated in the forums of Xbit. Politics is being played out rather than fruitful tech discussions. That's what's turned me a shade of green as it makes me nauseas. I would like to see the mod police the bad eggs or give some mod powers to the greybeards. Let's smoke out the fanboys.

You might end up getting kicked off here too if that were the case.

I would highly doubt it. I reckon people can work out for themselves that I'm not a tech troll in geeks clothing. But if it were to happen - if users deemed that I was not a constructive contributor then I would accept it with grace. I would not come back multiple times with multiple aliases to rampage through the forums like Avon. I contribute for the love of it, not for any paid income from vested interests.

So you are claiming that Anton is bashing AMD?
As if bulldozer never run hot when overclocked correct? It was like having a nuclear reactor next to you and power consumption is still horrible for both Bulldozer and Piledriver. Don't say nonsense, we know why the Ivybrigde run a little hot when overclocked because they did not solder the IHS. <-- Blame it on AMD for their inability to compete which has made Intel to drop their quality in their slightly lower end products. There are no issues with ivybridge really. But in AMD's case is the messed up architecture that is causing the issue. Get a clue beenthere.

AMD won. Intel is leaving x86 for better things. AMD is staying LGA while Intel is going BGA.

You are so wrong. How on earth Intel is leaving x86? If Intel finally goes to BGA, its just a move to maximize their profits. Seeing that AMD cannot compete its normal that Intel would change their plans and to try to lower the costs down a little. And finally AMD hasn't won anything yet. All their projects are getting postponed. How is that winning?

Intel is leaving the computer enthusiast and Taiwanese OEM motherboard makers high and dry. On the other hand, AMD has pledged to support socket bound CPUs. Intel's move to BGA is gonna piss off a lot of Intel supporters. Expect a backlash from Taiwan. It's pure arrogance.

Well that's the view of Semiaccurate. We'll see how it plays out.

"beenthere: Of course the above bias story doesn't mention the issues"
it seems perfectly clear Anton IS REPORTING the NEWS so whats the problem.

and most people are perfectly happy with their new Intel integrated PCI-Express 3.0,USB 3.0 controller,support for DirectX 11,DDR3 1600MHz memory support,and OC the free and functional Encode/Decode hardware engine , with full Intel Published Ivy Bridge Programming Documentation available

all the other vendors now and in the future would be wise to try and come even half way as open as Intel and it's Open Source Programmer’s Reference Manuals given the wider use of the Linux derived "Android" being back ported to core linux now (getting ready for the gaming platform revival on both mobile and so called desktop but Linux/"Android" based this time around... did you also not see that obvious pattern emerging here and in the wider world, perhaps spelled out if i say a reasonable outcome for 2014)

and the next tock Haswell looks even better with almost complete OSS support already on the Linux base before its even available yet...
but thats really OT for this thread OC.


"beenthere: It's bad enough that Intel has abandoned the Ivy Bridge trigate design for future processors."

err what , has it come to fairy tale telling from you now beenthere !

i was going to just down vote you and call you for spreading FUD, but didn't.

please supply a direct link to such news as it does not exist as far as i can see after actually looking for proof of your statement, and an explanation of your comment/ interpretation of said link ASAP

and if your referring to this headline
http://why.knovel.com/all...al-transistor-design.html

then you clearly didn't read it and understand its content

and that's fine, but to go from "company decided to move ahead with the tri-gate approach in 2008" to abandoning it is beyond even your fairy tales

they are not even really abandoning the conventional older NON tri-gate tech as its all really hybrid 28nm conventional/22nm TG today...

any more than GF and the other foundries would be with their hybrid tri-gate 20nm/14nm , 20nm/16nm etc

OC it's also possible IBM FOX has (pretty obvious really) potential too
http://www.advancedsubstr...ver-optimal-finfet-value/
"The fin isolation technology has a strong impact on within-fin uniformity and variability, and can compromise power, performance, and manufacturability."

but do try to read and understand it with an open mind rather than a Luddite mind.

and this does have relevance to GF etc given the partners etc.

its not like they don't all really share tech in the long run with all these papers floating around every year... only the details might vary...

Not Global Foundries but Mubadala Investment Group. They own both GF and AMD stocks. They exercised their warrants to increase their stake from 15% to 19% in AMD.

"I find it absolutely impossible for AMD to just sit with 32nm Piledriver processors throughout the whole next year."

You should thank RR for that.
I think its clear enough, i don't need to get into details.

"Sure AMD pushed back Steamroller. I think this is a decision made or influenced by Jim Keller. I think he believes that he will actually FIX the modular design and he needs additional time for the supplementary development."

Nope, if it was Jim Keller's choice he would of scrapped this architecture completely because its useless.
Then again they might be starting from scratch to fix the issues or to scrap it and start from scratch with a new architecture. Maybe that is why there would be nothing for 2013.

You never get into too much detail Avon because your arguments are mostly baseless. I see you get 8 thumbs up for your nonesense. That is either 1234's (now banned) multiple aliases or yours. Stop the site rigging. Your views have very little support in reality because they are extreme. You are the Taliban of tech preaching one way to process data. Are you even capable of saying one bad thing about Intel although you've been indoctrinated with their marketing?

Jim Keller has nothing to do with pushing back Steamroller development. The truth is AMD is short of operating cash big time and needs to get into tablets, ultrabooks and low power data severs like yesterday. Engineering resources have been slashed. And what's left is working on those 3 areas. High end server and desktop chips are on the back burner.