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Discussion on Article:
Nintendo Wii U Will Not Become Hardcore Gamers’ Darling – Analyst.

Started by: linuxlowdown | Date 12/07/12 12:25:00 AM
Comments: 23 | Last Comment:  12/25/12 10:25:34 PM

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It's made for herbivore men. Could be big in Japan.
26 13 [Posted by: linuxlowdown  | Date: 12/07/12 12:25:00 AM]

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2 28 [Posted by: tedstoy  | Date: 12/07/12 12:29:40 AM]

Pachter is wrong 90% of the time. Seriously, look up his prediction track record, he stated that the Wii would be the end of Nintendo, he said he knew that GTA 5 would release in October (still hasn't released), he said that motion controls would be much bigger on PS3 and Xbox360 than they were on the Wii..
The only thing he is ever right about is things people already know.
3 1 [Posted by: Ushio  | Date: 12/07/12 01:48:23 AM]

I"m buying one anyway.I like every single feature it gives,and for longer period dont care for hardware boosts, cmon its not 1999.
4 1 [Posted by: kingpin  | Date: 12/07/12 06:17:03 AM]

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12 30 [Posted by: Avon4Balls  | Date: 12/07/12 07:00:53 AM]
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...give me a link so I can read about it. Oh you can't because it's not true. Lying Intel slimeball.
28 13 [Posted by: linuxlowdown  | Date: 12/07/12 07:43:36 AM]
Avon, I guess you learned very little from what happens when you make an unbalanced console, i.e., pair an overpriced CPU with a weak GPU like in PS3? I have no doubt PS4/Xbox next will be more powerful than the Wii U but I would put the probability of neither having a Haswell CPU at 99.9% as it's simply too expensive to be viable in quad-core form.

PS4 is basically assured to be all AMD based consoles, while most the rumors of the CPU driving Xbox have either been an APU x86 design or a multi-core Power PC architecture, with possible ARM cores for Kinect.

Only trolls on IGN and Gamespot think a PS4 / Xbox will have 16 core CPUs with GTX690 SLI. You also somehow forgot that consoles must be affordable, especially given the state of the global economy. It's very unlikely that the MS or Sony will want to spend hundreds of dollars more on an Intel CPU for just 30% more performance in games.

For us enthusiast PC gamers, getting a Core i7 3770K for BF3 is worth it over a $125 A10-5800K but for a console it makes no sense. Consoles still need to fit a GPU into the budget, flash memory/SSD, mechanical hard drives and other features like Kinect 2.0, etc. MS and Sony also lost too much money on Xbox 360 and PS3 and rumor has it they will want to focus on trying to be more profitable with the next generation. Going with a Haswell CPU sounds great in theory but then you have to pair it with Intel chipset and together it starts to get expensive really fast...and you haven't even touched any other components.

We have less than a year before your hopes and dreams of an Intel+NV based consoles are shattered. Perhaps you forgot that Intel has a >60% gross margin. Why would they sacrifice their profitability just to provide a chip for consoles? They aren't a small company like AMD that needs everything they can get. I guess it's Holiday season and Intel decided to advance your early Christmas bonus for making up stories?
27 12 [Posted by: BestJinjo  | Date: 12/07/12 11:37:35 AM]
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10 28 [Posted by: Avon4Balls  | Date: 12/08/12 03:39:07 AM]
I haven't bought an AMD CPU since Athlon X2 days. You just immediately resort to calling me an AMD fanboy when I provide a reasonable cost argument for why Intel's Haswell will not be in PS4/Xbox 720. In case you forgot, no Intel CPU was found in any console this generation. If Intel was a cost effective option, why didn't Sony or MS or Nintendo use it this generation? You also didn't take into account that Haswell's ultra power efficient versions will not be out for a while and those will be very expensive. Just take a look at how expensive quad-core mobile Ivy Bridge chips are.

The cheapest 45W Ivy Bridge quad-core is $378:
Intel® Core™ i7-3610QM Processor
(6M Cache, up to 3.30 GHz)

Intel's gross margin is 60% or so. That means this CPU would cost $151 to MS if we assume Intel makes $0 on the entire deal.

A dual-core HT Core i3/i5 mobile CPUs are not sufficient for next generation consoles.

Cheapest quad-core without hyper-threading on the desktop is i5-3450S for $184 and it uses 65W.

I just told you in my post above: "Why would Intel sell their CPUs for no profit?" Intel will at least aim to make some profits and suddenly if you consider the cost to MS or Sony, let me know how you can fit a quad-core Haswell + Intel motherboard/chipset into a $399-449 console and still have $ left over for all the other parts!

I guess you don't like to face reality. 12 more months and you'll be proven wrong. All the rumors are stacked completely against you. My guess is you either don't read news, or blindly keep praying for an Intel Haswell + NV Kepler console because you don't recognize the price/performance aspects.

Latest rumor: Xbox 720 to sport an 8-core 1.66ghz processor.
23 2 [Posted by: BestJinjo  | Date: 12/09/12 10:38:57 AM]
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0 25 [Posted by: Avon4Balls  | Date: 12/09/12 03:31:08 PM]
I haven't lost my mind. I am only doing objective research and linking you recent rumors and what we have already read about the CPU in the Xbox 720. No reputable source has reported that Xbox 720 will use an Intel Haswell CPU. I don't know what CPU Xbox 720 will use but at least I am approaching the subject by not blindly stating things like "MS has confirmed that Intel CPU is in the next Xbox".
11 1 [Posted by: BestJinjo  | Date: 12/10/12 11:02:12 AM]

If it's any hint on what the ps4 will be using hardware wise then all you have to do is look at what the developement kits are using

According to this link the developement kits are using A10 based APU's. So if this sheds any light on the ps4 hardware then i'm willing to bet that actual ps4 hardware will be based around the same hardware config as well.
15 2 [Posted by: SteelCity1981  | Date: 12/07/12 08:25:27 AM]
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Ya, the only questions are how custom the A10 APU will be and if the console will have a stand-alone dedicated GPU as well?
25 11 [Posted by: BestJinjo  | Date: 12/07/12 11:46:04 AM]
my guess would be yes something on the lines of an Radeon 6670 which the 7660D will be able to run it as a cross fire config.
13 0 [Posted by: SteelCity1981  | Date: 12/07/12 01:31:25 PM]
Actually, dev kits are more powerful than the actual console. They have to be able to handle the development tools and running the game at the same time.

A final packaged game will have many optimizations a game in development won't and can't have.
So I'm pretty sure the console might be close to a dev kit in power, but it will still be a bit weaker.
1 1 [Posted by: whythisname  | Date: 12/07/12 03:20:07 PM]
The Xbox 360 development kit was less powerful than the actual console. Development kits have more RAM onboard for debugging but the actual CPU and GPU specs are often inferior to the final product.
25 11 [Posted by: BestJinjo  | Date: 12/07/12 11:39:32 PM]
which is why i said around the same hardware and not the exact same hardware.
13 0 [Posted by: SteelCity1981  | Date: 12/08/12 01:21:53 AM]

The same who said that the Wii would be a total bust. Good jorb guys.
3 0 [Posted by: KeyBoardG  | Date: 12/07/12 08:34:45 AM]
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Nintendo's stock price

2000 ~ $22
2012 ~ $14

Sony's stock price

2000 ~ $112
2012 ~ $10

Yup, PS2 and PS3 sure made a lot of $ for Sony's bottom line. /sarcasm. One more round of selling an $800 console for $600 and PS4 will bankrupt the company. For that reason PS4 will be mid-range and priced much lower. No Core i7 3970X and GTX690 SLI.
26 12 [Posted by: BestJinjo  | Date: 12/07/12 11:59:08 AM]


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