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Chief Executive of AMD: We Are Not Interested in Low-Volume Customers.
To address your question, I would pick the HD7950 without a doubt at current prices. I am an overclocker and when 7950 is overclocked it would level the GTX660Ti into the ground.
I also play games with mods and and high MSAA, where memory bandwidth and more VRAM in games like Skyrim are critical for high performance. Once again in situations with mods (Crysis 1-2 Maldo HD, Skyrim ENB mods), HD7950 would level GTX660Ti again:
I have a large case, so fitting an 11 inch card is not a problem for me. In this comparison, the $280 HD7950 OC > $450 GTX680. For that reason if I had to choose, also knowing it comes with 3 free games that are good (Hitman, Far Cry 3 and Sleeping Dogs), I'd pick the 7950 without a doubt.
I don't know what the average consumer would prefer. If that gamer's profile is like me, as in they play with lots of mods, use MSAA and overclock, I can't see any of them taking GTX660Ti. In fact, enthusiast websites pitted GTX660Ti vs. 670 vs. HD7950 all OC to the max and GTX660Ti got destroyed by the latter 2 cards. In the hands of experienced overclockers HD7950 competes with GTX670 not GTX660Ti.
If I was someone who games at 1080P with FXAA (not MSAA), didn't use mods at all, didn't know how to overclock and my primary games were Batman or Borderlands 2 where I could use PhysX, I'd get the GTX660Ti.
But as I said, I overclock and push my hardware to the max with very high settings. HD7950 @ 1150mhz would level a GTX660Ti @ 1300mhz under the conditions in which I play games. So it's a no contest for a user like myself. The comparison would be fairer if you asked me to choose between a GTX670 and HD7950 in which case I'd take the 670, like the MSI Power Edition where I have voltage control and 1350mhz overclock on Kepler is doable. The problem is GTX670 costs as much as 7970 now. In that comparison, once again 670 would lose since an overclocked 7970 would crush it in the games I play and under high quality image settings I use:
You also forgot that the AMD card makes money bitcoin mining. Both of my cards have been paid off a long time ago with this feature. My guess is 95% of PC users don't know how to use this or set it up or have no idea what bitcoin mining is. So once again I am an extreme user who overclocks and uses hardware outside of games. For someone like myself the 660Ti would make no sense. Since the average users don't know how to overclock, think FXAA/MLAA/TXAA are actually good looking AA modes because they don't understand how AA works and wouldn't have a clue what bitcoin mining is, I can easily see GTX660Ti outselling HD7950 in the marketplace. That tells me nothing about how good GTX660Ti is for enthusiasts.
Mr. Read, if you want to alienate the only people that have a means of getting your products in the Enterprise then continue with your brash idea. You are alienating 80% of AMD's IT support by what you just said.
Also ALL of the AMD fans have wondered for years why you weren't competitive in the laptop and portable markets.
I have only AMD/ATI based products (many systems) and I have put up with their sluggishness compared to a slightly higher cost Intel system, but no more thanks to your rude and ungratefull comments.
Can you read a graph? Colors blue and green?
Think about different usage scenarios for a consumer. Some people might spend 90% of their time multi-tasking and 10% gaming, while others might spend 10% multi-tasking and 90% gaming. For the former user, a $169 FX8320 + GTX660Ti is a better option than a $325 i7-3770 + GTX650Ti. For that reason, there are still viable reasons why AMD CPUs can make sense, even if they dont' make sense for me or other PC gamers. And that's the point, I recognize that different products fit different market niches. Other people here just hate AMD and those are the type of individuals that don't understand the value of competition.
"The final console is said to contain a 16-core IBM Power PC CPU with a graphics processor on par with AMD's Radeon HD 7000-series graphics cards."
Here are more recent rumors on the CPU - 8 core, 1.66Ghz, similar to Wii U's CPU, made by IBM.
avon i'm just reporting what i have been reading if you have actual legit infomation on the final specs of the Next that was confirmed by ms then post the article.
1) His technical knowledge in PC hardware is very basic;
2) He doesn't read financial or tech/industry news, but assumes what he says is in-line with industry trends;
3) He doesn't understand how business/companies work;
4) He doesn't understand corporate strategy; and,
5) He doesn't understand accounting treatment rules and basics things like Lease-backs, the difference between net income and cash flows, etc.
His opinion on the state of AMD lacks any objectivity since he is uninformed on all of the key aspects that require an individual to form a balanced opinion.
That probably means they have a lot of inventory built up from Q3 2012 that they want to sell first. It doesn't mean they'll only have $115 million in total for Q4. Why would a company cancel buying more procude? Because their products are in less demand and/or they have an oversupply of existing inventory.
It doesn't mean they'll only sell $115 million of chips, especially since $115 million is the wafer cost. So your actual math is backwards to begin with. $115M is your Cost of Goods Sold. That means Gross Margin:
Revenue = X (what they sell the product to customers)
- COGS = $115 (or 60%, what it costs them to get working chips)
Gross Margin = 40% or (X-115)
That's very simplistic as I am sure there are other costs baked into COGS but you get the point.
To get 40% margins, your revenue needs to be ~$192 million [$115 / (1-40%)]. The way you calculated it is you applied 40% margin to what it costs you to buy the items in the supply chain. That's incorrect. As I said, you also forgot Q3 inventory that is overstocked that will be sold, not to mention all the SG&A and depreciation expenses after Gross Margin that reduce cash flows.
Therefore, it seems it was worse to not invest. The result is even lower earnings for the mobile GPU division.
Instead of buying into the AMD disparagement typical of Xbits... I'll wait to see what AMD actually delivers in the future. So far they have produced winning designs with Trinity laptop, desktop and also Vishera. Three winning designs in 2012 ain't too bad and consumers are the ultimate winners with these products.
"Jim McGregor, founder and principal analyst with TIRIAS Research in Phoenix, Arizona, said AMD’s decision simply reflects that demand is down for its product and that it has lost market share to Intel. “As a result, AMD cannot commit to taking all the orders it had planned,” McGregor said. “I would expect that many other fabless semiconductor vendors and other segments of the PC value chain are also being impacted by the slower PC shipments."
In all seriousness, I hope AMD will come back strong in three-four years (and that they will last through this crisis). Just look at NVidia, who used to be much smaller than AMD. I used to think their CEO Jen-Hsun Huang was just loud, but apparently he had the vision and the ability to execute and lead the company to where they are now. And this comes from an AMD fan. The bottomline is AMD did not deliver both on the business and architecture fronts. I just hope that the restructuring will bring back the much needed competition in the CPU and graphic industry. Intel's biggest rival is now the ARM chips rather than AMD.
That's why they Hire you, after a very Complex Bulldozer.
Actually I have a real job. I don't troll tech websites. I only participate because I like learning about new products coming out and seeing how they perform in the programs I run. I actually use the hardware in question for games and contribute to posts here on pros/cons of different products. You on the other hand are just a blind fanboy of camp Intel+NV, the worst kind after Apple fanboys.
Sorry, I don't own an APU:
Now let's see your NV GTX680 SLI because you sure talk up a big game.
You realize you are no different than some AMD fanboys like dan_amd? You just come off as "Company A" fanboy, not any better than "Company B" fanboy. No one likes to read drivel from blind fanboys.
It's also how you post. There are plenty of ways to say positive things about NV or Intel but you don't. You just put down AMD instead.
Why didn't you make any positive comments regarding 20nm progression of Maxwell and that GPU incorporating Project Denver to speed up general-purpose computing?
This was posted 6 days ago and you still didn't comment. Therefore, I think you just enjoy trolling anti-AMD posts rather than actually caring about what's happening in the tech industry or even what NV does. You seem to be more concerned with putting anyone down who doesn't own Intel+NV parts rather than being passionate about tech in general. Exactly what fanboys do.
AMD's APU can not compete any better than Intel i3-3225. Also the FX processors have a hard time competing of the lower entry of Intel i5 processors. Sure FX has a lot of processors or cores that is good for multi-threaded applications, but still not enough to compensate for poor performance for single thread programs. Also the APU and FX processors fit in different sockets and the only one that has up to date chipset is the APU. Rory Read expects to get high volume contractors when these processors does not compete against the same high level as Intel. Also pausing development for Steamroller micro-architecture will hurt AMD even further. IMHO, Steamroller is AMD's way to catch up to Intel on the terms of high level performance that Intel Sandy Bridge or Ivy Bridge is at.
Reducing layers or metal layers is reducing advantages of using them. I am not an engineer, but those layers are used to create transistors, reduce cross-talk, and remove heat. Using other layers for them is reducing performance altogether. What is best for AMD to stay in 80x86 business is they have to compete on the same level as Intel or else go out of business. From what I am reading, AMD is following the same tactics what VIA did by not wanting to compete on the same level as Intel. VIA's 80x86 business is done for. In this case, AMD should just stop making 80x86 processors by the start of next year.
AMD wants to get into making ARM processors. How can they when they have zero research and development in ARM? It does not make sense that AMD is going into that direction. It seems to me is Rory Read is acting like a princess buying things that AMD can not afford to buy.
I get the feeling that Lenovo kicked out Rory Read for making bad business choices. Lenovo looks like they are doing better after Rory Read has left. The Lenovo Yoga looks interesting. Also IBM looked pathetic when Rory Read was working for them. Rory Read should start up his own business and see how it goes. I do not think he is actually a good business leader.
If you have any hopes.. well don't.
Just switch to Intel like i did.
Addit: But what people don't understand is that people like "us" who criticize them is actually making the difference for the better.
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