If you want competition Stop supporting so much AMD then and start criticizing them instead of saying nonsense just like the other pro-paid pro-AMD trolls. And stop finding excuses for RR because he is the one that has sunk the company and he does not care about client, he has issues with them. You can see it in nearly all the questions made to him about client stuff. He avoids those kind of questions. He is an idiot. Remember this is not a charity, its business and they just want your money.

Dude, you are delusional. Why do you keep denying the reality of the situation? AMD cannot financially and strategically compete with a company > 50x larger that has actual fabs with 1 full generation node ahead in manufacturing. They have no $ to design the world's fastest CPUs, they have an inferior supply chain, they have lower bargaining power with high volume consumers like HP and Apple and other OEMs and have no $ to build fabrication facilities that have the world's leading lithography fabs. Intel does. Wake up, seriously wake up!!

Get more education in the field, start reading books, articles and understanding the the semi-conductor industry because you really don't understand how the chip-making business works.

Sitting there and criticizing AMD or RR will not magically produce $4-5 billion needed for a new fab, pay off $2 billion of existing debt with poor cash flows, or somehow allow AMD to increase its R&D 10x, or hire 10x as many engineers. It's all common sense to everyone, except you. Do you expect Honda to compete with Porsche in the sports car race? Man, you are something else. You really have no idea how business works.

Looks like someone has got to reach new levels++
This all comes out natural to you because you fear AMD's death. I would not say sinking a company and shrinking it, is a successful CEO.

I can't help you if you don't want to learn the industry. Since you don't understand how semi conductor space works, you can sit here all you want and criticize AMD or any other company. None of them will compete with Intel in the high-end CPU performance race. None of them has the capital, engineering resources or the world's leading fabrication facilities. Every single company has failed to beat Intel and AMD is simply the last one standing. AMD have already said they aren't interested in the high-end CPU performance race because like everyone else they know it's just not possible.

Next time you go to a local Pizza shop, you should start screaming how stupid they are that they cannot compete with Dominos and Pizza Hut.

Holy crap you got 31 false accounts to top Linux low ?

It's way less than 40% if you take the enthusiast's point of view. As an example, take an overclocked Core i7 920 @ 4.0ghz and put it up against a Core i7 3770K @ 4.5ghz. The difference in regular day-to-day tasks and games will be rather small. If you need a powerhouse for workstation/rendering/video encoding work, those consumers are probably going to want a 6-core IVB-E to begin with.

The main benefits are motherboard features and reduced power consumption, especially in overclocked states. Performance wise, there is no way a Core i7 3770K OC is 40% faster than Core i7 920 OC. And if you consider games, the performance difference is practically non-existent unless you are rocking at least 2x GTX670s or something.

http://www.guru3d.com/art...e_review_benchmark,7.html

This is not a bad thing, as the $ spent on a new platform upgrade can instead be spent on areas that count - 2560x1440 Catleap monitor, faster/larger SSD, next generation videocard.

The pace of CPU progression has slowed down to a snail's pace. Anyone with 1st-3rd generation Core i7 + healthy OC will have little reason to upgrade for performance alone, more to do with enthusiasts liking to play with new hardware

Holy crap this guy actually gets it.

Post removed for flaming and personal attacks.

Moderator.

Why are you responding to me about AMD being competitive in the CPU space and on top of that you are calling me an idiot? Wow, a new poster who joined and doesn't even understand the context of my posts but attacks me anyway.

I was responding to this thread regarding Haswell's CPU clocks which match IVB and expected 10% increase in IPC. I am also responding to a comment where someone said that Intel's CPUs are 40% faster than previous generations but Core i7-3770K OC is not 40% faster on average than i7-920 OC from an enthusiast's point of view. I just pointed that out, that's all. Don't jump at me because that's the truth.

Everything is an anti-Intel post to you people? Ridiculous. Go read the Guru3D review of Far Cry 3. Core i7 3770K is not much faster in games than an overclocked 1st i7 for single GPUs. You'd need 2 high end GPUs to see a big difference. Most tests only compare a stock i7 920 which is why 3770K wins automatically. Overclock them both and see what happens.

I already said I own an INTEL processor and I am saying Haswell's performance increase is marginal over SB/IVB. Intel's pace of innovation has slowed down because of little competition from AMD in the high end CPU race.

Sadly AMD try to kill them self. If I buy APU then Radeon (and of course GF) will drop the share. But if I need an add on GPU, then SB/IB+Mobo+VGA Card still the best choice. It means AMD will drop Radeon's profit for the mainstream Market, and lost CPU's Share in enthusiast System.

That's what's supposed to happen. APUs are meant to replace sub-$100 discrete GPUs and because of that AMD and NV largely stopped making sub-$100 dedicated GPUs. Even if Radeon market share goes down, it doesn't mean sales are not increasing. Don't worry about market share, revenue growth and derived cash flows matters more because that's what actually gives the business $ it needs to continue operating.

For example, even if Apple's iPad has lost market share as other competitors stepped into this space, Apple makes more $ and sells more iPads now than it did 2 years ago.

Probably a new socket mate.
But who knows this is all just speculation.

Whatever Intel does it will be what's best for their profit and to slap the consumer in the face - 60% margins is what they work off. You may as well burn your money. Performance per dollar, AMD wins every time (and Avon knows it).

nah, intel works with 0% margin for common good. even for less - it is a charity company

if you're thinking this was sarcasm, you're wrong. it was actually said by avon/123 and other accounts that kid has

btw, i think he's working for AMD. he's done more for that company than all the advertisements together, at least on this forum...

Nah i once won accidentally an AMD product online and they sent me an email to inform me.
I said that i don't want it. They kept insisting and they have asked me if i want to give it away for charity. I said NO, give it back to AMD because they are trying to raise cash and AMD has accepted this. It seems that AMD is not a charity business either.

delusional

no company works for charity, but either you or your second personality actually said that intel does.

i have no comment on this, as it were your own words

"Probably a new socket mate.
But who knows this is all just speculation."

WOW, thanks for proving once again you don't know anything about tech. Socket 1150 is not speculation and has been confirmed a long time ago, along with the Lynx Point chipset. This information was known 12 months ago.

http://www.techpowerup.co...s-Well-That-Haswell-.html

Stop posting, you add no technical knowledge to this forum. You don't know anything about Haswell despite constantly pointing out how amazing Intel CPUs are. Your agenda here is not to educate members about new technologies of Intel, or discuss tech in general, but only to troll users who say anything about AMD products. You are the epitome of a troll.

socket 1150 i read somewhere

Socket 1150. The heatsink hole spacing should be the same as that of Socket 1155/1156, which makes it convenient for existing owners who have after-market CPU heatsinks to upgrade from their existing platforms.

Here is a comparison of the measurements for S1155 vs. 1150. They are very similar so the mounting holes can remain the same.
http://www.techpowerup.com/img/11-11-09/43b.jpg

Not really.. older AMD cpus had 6 real cores .. the new one has 8 half cores. 4 real cores in real world use