Hi,
My experience : All-in-Wonder 9800 SE at 250 € (in France) O/C with softmod : 411 Mhz / 775 Mhz with 8p : score with 3dmark2003 = 6079 ...
(no artefacts, burn 5 hours without problem). (6179 with 420/775 but little artefacts).
I think it was a good deal ...

i own myself a geforce x 5900 xt from aopen!
clockspeeds normal: 390/700
overclocked: 490 /800
i dont use an extra cooling system, and i still can raise the gpu frequuencies....

Thanks for this comprehensive side-by-side comparison!

I see that "all" these new games engines cant do FSAA because of their rendering mode....

How much will FSAA be needed or can be used in the future?
Is FSAA a feature only for "older" games?
Is it why S3/XGI cant do FSAA, it whould be a waste of their time after talking with developers?
Will Doom3, HL2, Far Cry do FSAA?

Guys,

I own an ASUS V9950 Card and it is a GeforceFX 5900 Ultra with 256MB not 128MB as you write in the article, as you can see on Asus' site:

http://usa.asus.com/products/vga/V9950u/overview.HTM

ignore my cooment.. i checked asus site again and found they do have a v9950 that is not ultra... :P

nice article

Thanks for the comprehensive article. It was suprising to see a 9600XT on par with a 5950U in the first three (DX9) tests, Halo in particular.

i wonder if the charts would change with the new driver from nvidia?

I have Radeon 9800SE and I have problems and bad effects, I didn't get good card!

I have Barton 2500+, 768 Ram etc
and I only got in 3d mark 2003 just 4000 marks :(
withotu patching this card I only scored below 2000 :((((
I fell terrible, what can i do?

I can't believe you're condoning such unethical practices and buying a 9800 SE, bring it home and testing it to see if it can be modified to a 9800 Pro, and returning it to the store if it can't. That is low... real low. As a major review site you should provide a better example than that.

May I ask how you benchmarked UT2K4? Did you use UMark? Was it a flyby or botmatch? What map?

Thanks in advance. :)

Great test! Especially that a Radeon 9800 PRO can almost out-perform a XT card with some overclocking. But I found the differences remarkable small between XT and unclocked PRO card. In other benchmarks I've seen average differences on 5-10% in performance (XT ofcourse faster) between the two cards.

I also heard some rumors that ATI has done some major adjustments in 9800 PRO pricing in Canada. 10-20% cheaper now. Anyone can confirm and know if there will be any impact soon in europe? Today I can buy a ATI Radeon 9800 PRO 128 mb for €224 (2100 SEK) in Sweden. Would be nice to know if there will be any further drops in pricing :)

/Lefty

I've some problems with this card, ATI RADEON 9800 PRO, get fps drops at games etc. do you have any recomended drivers or some thing that could help, thx.

Hi,
I'm a little bit supprise to see the 9600XT OC ability in this review.

I just bought 9600XT 128MB memory code is Samsung KD4263238E-6C2A
but can only push my Radeon to 580.5/330.8 that is core/memory
what I feel so lack about is only the memory OC ability..
if go higher than 330.8, I got artefact.

does this review add extra heatsink to the memory ?

come on, please help me

Good article, as always from xbitlabs, though I liked better the old stile of ,fewer/longer html pages...
Any hints/links about voltmoding the reviewed Sapphire 256-bit 9800SE?

Great article! How can you tell what versions of ATI 9800 SE cards are 128-bit and which are 256-bit. I haven't been able to figure it out on vendor websites. Can you give me some model numbers from manufacturers such as Asus and Saphire. Thank you!

Lo guys..I git a GeXCube ATI Radeon 9800 PRO Extreme edition agp 8x
My motherboard doesnt support 8x..does this mean that my card only will run at half speed??