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First Alleged Benchmark Results of Intel Core i “Haswell” Processor Hit the Web.

Started by: Filiprino | Date 01/30/13 06:10:09 PM
Comments: 22 | Last Comment:  02/07/13 09:36:20 AM

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The new AVX extensions should do wonders on things like video encoding.
Releasing Haswell-E instead of Ivy Bridge-E would be more appropiate.
1 1 [Posted by: Filiprino  | Date: 01/30/13 06:10:09 PM]

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4 8 [Posted by: AnonymousGuy  | Date: 01/30/13 06:40:41 PM]
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1. GT3 Haswell HD5100 GPU isn't coming to the desktop. Desktop GT2 HD4600 is significantly slower than GT3.

2. Trinity APU is nearly 2x faster in performance than HD4000. By extension no desktop Haswell Core i3/i5/i7 parts will even come close to matching AMD's Richland APUs. This is even more true since the space in which AMD's APUs compete is sub-$125 level where i3s always ship with gimped Intel graphics (not even HD4000).

3. True successor to Richland APU aimed to compete against Haswell is Kaveri and that should launch by Q4 2013 with GCN GPU, unlike VLIW in Richland. If you want to compare apples-to-apples, then we'll be discussing Kaveri APU vs. Intel's Haswell. You are in denial if you think Haswell's GT2-3 performance will be anywhere near Kaveri's.

4. Did you forget that performance is just 1 part of the equation? Intel's graphics driver stability/quality or timeliness of their updates aren't up to par to NV/AMD industry standards.
12 3 [Posted by: BestJinjo  | Date: 01/30/13 09:24:18 PM]
AMD GPU is all but certain to best Intel's. Intel's CPU is all but certain to best AMD's. However, we are very quickly approaching a time when both might be regarded as "good enough" for the vast majority of users. Does the argument then move to the areas of "power envelope" and "price"?. And how long before ARM designs are on performance parity?. Come 2015, process node will not be enough for continued Intel dominance . I'm looking forward to the APU wars in 2015 and beyond.
7 0 [Posted by: mjv1121  | Date: 01/31/13 02:24:15 AM]
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1 9 [Posted by: 63jax  | Date: 01/31/13 12:05:05 AM]
63jax, you really ought to just come out and tell people what you really think instead of bottling up all that pent up aggression. Don't be afraid to express your feelings. I mean, if you don't like the guy, just say so.
4 0 [Posted by: anubis44  | Date: 01/31/13 12:09:15 AM]
@63jax, Warning. You can convey your message without using profanity to insult the other poster you disagree with.

A certain someone didn't heed this and has been given the boot.
6 0 [Posted by: vanakkuty  | Date: 01/31/13 12:25:41 AM]
ok, i will behave myself!
4 0 [Posted by: 63jax  | Date: 01/31/13 03:30:01 AM]
Thank you for your understanding, you guys can have at it with all the heated debates as you like, just without the insults and swearing that's all we ask.
3 0 [Posted by: vanakkuty  | Date: 01/31/13 05:07:32 AM]
AnonymousGuy is showing some trolling traits such as using inflammatory language like "gut" and "precious". He also regularly brings up the theme of AMD's financial position off topic. It reminds me of someone who used to persistently troll here. He must also tone it down and make relevant points.
2 0 [Posted by: fanboyslayer  | Date: 01/31/13 06:54:11 AM]
Well thats why you have the vote system, if its not logical content or merely irrelevant posts you just have to vote it down

Anyone can say they think AMD isn't worth their time or money etc. the problem with trolls who got banned was that they constantly and persistently engaged in provocative posting styles. They never stopped they just kept going. It spoils the thread. But they also went further with swearing and name calling.

AnonymousGuy shares his views and then may or may not follow up with a reply. His account is a bit old and I have checked many of his posts. He is just your regular guy who has a Intel favorable view.

That is completely ok, if you don't agree counter his post with a good post or just vote the poor post down.
1 0 [Posted by: vanakkuty  | Date: 01/31/13 07:42:59 AM]
@63jax, thanks dude, LOL, you made my day!!
Couldn't stop laughing at your comment, rofl! :D

You need some anger management dude
0 1 [Posted by: a1020471  | Date: 02/07/13 09:36:20 AM]

As always, you need to take those benches with a grain of salt...
3 0 [Posted by: TAViX  | Date: 01/31/13 01:50:13 AM]

Hope for AMD ? Intentional or accidental?
If true, Haswell and Broadwell are wasted generation.
3 0 [Posted by: Tristan  | Date: 01/31/13 01:50:48 AM]
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I am well aware that this benchmark is miles away from the whole picture, considering the they chips are not on the market yet. But First thing I though of was oh hey look no significat perfocmance difference between the cpu generations. Yet intel will still sell tham at a premium because that is how they roll. Squeeze the customer in the wallet for what is becoming incresingly mediocre product offerings has been their modus operandi for years.
2 0 [Posted by: veli05  | Date: 01/31/13 06:55:01 AM]

I think my already 3 year old Core i5 750 @ 3.2Ghz machine would last for a long time. My 750 at 3.2ghz would do that wprime 32 in 11 secs. The new generation CPUs performance is not scaling as good as during the days of Pentium 4 to core 2 duo then 45nm quard and finally Nehalem core i7. From second generation Sandy Bridge CPUs onwards the performance gain is mainly due to the increased clock speeds. That means you can achieve almost similar performance of the latest Ivy bridge CPU on first generation Nehalem core by just overclocking to the same frequency or a few 100MHz higher. Yes those programs that are heavily optimized for the new Intel AVX instructions then you may see some boost but then again there is no compelling reasons to upgrade to the latest CPU to get that small boost in performance. For me it seems like upgrading the GPU makes good sense. All I have to do is overclock the CPU by 200mhz every time Intel releases a new generation.
1 2 [Posted by: tks  | Date: 01/31/13 03:37:44 AM]
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Unless Haswell overclocks to +6GHz, your previous gens ain't keeping up then!

Ok so that is highly unlikely but I would like to think Haswell will overclock much better than Ivy Bridge and with the GPU improvements we might have a decent chip as along as the improvements get utilised and adopted by programs like Adobe and maybe Handbrake??
1 0 [Posted by: loadwick  | Date: 01/31/13 08:27:33 AM]
I'm pretty Grateful if Hasswell just do 5-10% faster than IB at the same clock-speed with lower power consumption, and can OC as high as SB.
0 0 [Posted by: jpunk  | Date: 01/31/13 06:26:46 PM]

I am guessing these are 100% fake.

Intel is adding 2 more execution ports to Sandy, adding AVX2 instructions, TSX, etc. IPC should improve about 10%, if not more in multi-threaded apps.
4 0 [Posted by: BestJinjo  | Date: 01/31/13 01:08:00 PM]

this wasn't a surprise given that fact the intel stated that haswell will be 10 to 15% better in overall performance on the cpu side compared to ivy bridge, but the gpu side should yield 30 to 40% more performance over ivy bridge, which would rank it slight above Llano gpu performance. With that said it will still be two generations behind amd apu gpu when richland comes out around the same time and 3 generations behind kaveri gpu when it debutes later this year.
1 1 [Posted by: SteelCity1981  | Date: 01/31/13 01:58:07 PM]

Well this results are basically a very good and very bad news for AMD.

Good News = The single thread performance is actually sacrificed, so that mean AMD can catch them.

Bad News = Multi thread performance seems to have picked up the pace and no one knows how much improvement Haswel is about to unleash.
0 0 [Posted by: Atlastiamhere  | Date: 01/31/13 08:26:03 PM]
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You did say it's bad news for AMD because intels multi-threaded performance is improved, but you are forgetting the fact that AMD wasn't too bad at multi-threading either. in fact in most cases they're just as fast or faster thant competing intel products.
If these numbers are correct, there's hope for AMD to become competetive with intel but that's not the whole story. It's how much profitable their business is.
2 0 [Posted by: tdumaster  | Date: 02/01/13 11:02:25 AM]


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