They have heat issues to deal with, and no sign yet that they have managed that. If they limit to 12% overclock on their "enthusiast" board they are insane. If that turns out to be true please don't bother reviewing the damn things. And if the mfg's have to try to overcome that limitation you are talking increased prices on the mobo, and serious potential stability and compatibility issues now and down the line should you try to stick a Tejas in that 775 socket. Intel seems just full of bad news lately.

I have many products from them and I sure hope they get it together. The DDR2 thing is a big pill for anyone to get over in terms of cost, the heat and 12% overclock issues are going to kill their entire cpu line from enthusiast consideration, imo.

Of course this might be because those same enthusiasts didn't overwhelmingly pony up the $$$ for the Extreme P4's, go figure. Anyway, I guess AMD must be looking at this and thinking, ok time to build more FX chips! Intel I sure hope we aren't going to have to start writing "where the fall began at Intel" articles over the next year or two...

Well you all could say Intel is starting to get "bad", but where is amd?
If they had made AMD64 with 512kb cache from the start and dual channel for every one with "regular" memory, we could say intel is looking bad, but it isnt the case. AMD is not looking good to. At least for me.

L3 cache, not l2 cache.

I agree the dual channel thing is a bit sad, but in many cases they don't need the second channel. And yes while it's a stretch for the FX the chip performs well for that stretch. I think AMD has done admirably in bringing new tech to the market, stretching the limits of our current desktop abilities while not socking it to your checkbook. Intel just raises the $/performance and they just don't care to have a limit. The .09 process was "according to old marketing" supposed to bring a new level of cost to the chips, making them potentially far more affordable. Its not like you see that. I think AMD is giving you a lot more for the cost its costing them to make the chips than Intel, and then more performance per pure purchase price $ on top of that.

I think Intel is sinking into the corporate market and I think that when they can no longer compete for top performance they are just giving up and charging whoever is crazy enough to pay their prices. They'll have buyers but I'm betting they lose 10% market share over the next 6 months alone. Then they'll lay off saying they aren't making enough money when their costs have gone down, and their prices have remained the same.

I just don't think they care. I don't think they perform for the prices they are charging and I doubt very much they think the market will react at all to this.

I think they are wrong. My money at least, is going to the other side, after over a half dozen machines built on their platform.

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