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Next-Generation Game Consoles Good for Evolution of PC Gaming - Nvidia.

Started by: mmstick | Date 06/12/13 09:38:06 PM
Comments: 39 | Last Comment:  07/18/13 03:13:25 PM

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OpenGL 4.3? Hello? Do we really care about D3D 11.1? Last time I checked, D3D was a Microsoft-specific API; inferior to OpenGL which PS4 will use.
3 1 [Posted by: mmstick  | Date: 06/12/13 09:38:06 PM]
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0 3 [Posted by: basroil  | Date: 06/13/13 01:05:15 AM]
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why doesn't openGL make an open GAMEapi whit opencl, gl and al combined in 1 api.
0 1 [Posted by: massau  | Date: 06/13/13 04:16:23 AM]
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Because despite the "open" naming, those standards are all but open. The companies decide what is available, and the groups represent vastly different needs. Not to mention it would be a patent mess with more lawyers than an asbestos convention.
0 1 [Posted by: basroil  | Date: 06/13/13 08:02:57 PM]
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yes frnd another thing is open gl is tool for rendering while open cl is tool for heterogeneous computing programming and nvidia don't want to support open cl extensively coz of CUDA-FUDA. another side intel is also not adopting open cl at higher extent as we have seen in open cl accelerated applications ,,only AMD is working hard with open cl.
0 1 [Posted by: mudi1  | Date: 06/15/13 04:52:57 AM]
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agreed
0 0 [Posted by: mudi1  | Date: 07/07/13 04:16:23 AM]
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agreed
0 0 [Posted by: mudi1  | Date: 07/07/13 04:16:43 AM]
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agreed
0 0 [Posted by: mudi1  | Date: 07/07/13 04:17:14 AM]
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agreed
0 0 [Posted by: mudi1  | Date: 07/07/13 04:17:43 AM]
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They did make OpenGL for Windows back when 3DFX was making graphics cards. But when the company failed (despite having the best and fastest graphics cards on the market) it pretty much went away.
0 0 [Posted by: Hannover Fisst  | Date: 07/18/13 03:13:25 PM]
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Someone hasn't been looking at the specifications of OpenGL or has no experience with it apparently.
0 0 [Posted by: mmstick  | Date: 06/22/13 02:49:05 PM]
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sure
frnds do u remember some time back nvidia ceo jen...long name said that PS4 is like a cheap desktop and gtx 680 is superior than PS4. can mr. jen...long name give me in written that even nvidia's most expensive and most powerful single gpu TITAN will beat PS4 on upcoming games- answer mr. jen....long name also knows very well answer is PS4 kill TITAN in 2016-2017 games coz at that time we will see games harnesing true power of PS4. why PS4 will kill TITAN coz ps3 with 256mb 176 Gflops gpu,256 mb ram runs crysis 3 perfectly smooth while running same on pc we require at least 10X powerful gpu and 5gb ram and this time PS4 1840 Gflops with HSA so do simple maths how much powerful gpu require to beat PS4 truth is we don't have that. nvidia always do misleading publicity to boost sales so mr. jen... plz stop ur nonsense acts.
and don't forget nvidia 1000$ TITAN give u cartoonish hair and 100$ HD 7730 give u realistic hair (AMD TressFX) and plz don't compare TressFX to physx as physx don't give better visuals just some extra explosions and HAVOK is far better than physx.
by me buying a gaming pc is just waste of money coz PS4 will blow all of them including 1000$ i7+1000$ nvidia TITAN+16gb ddr3 ram at 2133 mhz so just simply buy a PS4 and enjoy.coz PS4's challenger pc will come in 2016
4 2 [Posted by: mudi1  | Date: 06/13/13 12:37:09 AM]
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I wouldn't be comparing Titan to PS4 since you can't use a Titan on its own. A PC with a Titan likely costs $2000. The Titan itself is an overpriced turd. You are better off grabbing a single EVGA GTX780 ACX or something.

If PS4 games start having graphics like this, it will take Volta in 2016 to beat PS4:

The Dark Sorcerer
http://www.youtube.com/wa...SZBA&feature=youtu.be
1 1 [Posted by: BestJinjo  | Date: 06/13/13 04:47:40 AM]
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The Dark Sorcerer is not game. It it's a tech demo?

And current PC video cards can easily produce such visuals. Check Agni's Philosophy tech demo which was running on single GTX 680

ANd the gap is only going to get bigger between PC and PS4 with time.
0 1 [Posted by: maroon1  | Date: 06/13/13 02:06:47 PM]
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yes frnd but i recommend AMD gpu coz AMD announced that future discreet AMD gpu will support HSA simply means new level of performance while this is almost impossible with nvidia-intel system coz intel will never make unified memory with nvidia also nvidia don't have x86 license so there is no chance to see nvidia hetrogenous computing on x86 ecosystem yes nvidia will do hetrogenous but with ARM core so if u want hetrogenous computing power than only way is AMD future gpu or nvidia if AAA games come for ARM which will never happen till 2018 as x86 to ARM porting is possible but it requires license from intel and intel will never do that.
0 1 [Posted by: mudi1  | Date: 06/15/13 05:02:21 AM]
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agreed
0 0 [Posted by: mudi1  | Date: 07/07/13 04:18:59 AM]
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agreed
0 0 [Posted by: mudi1  | Date: 07/07/13 04:19:18 AM]
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nvidia 1000$ TITAN give u cartoonish hair and 100$ HD 7730 give u realistic hair (AMD TressFX)


What ?!

TressFX is not exclusive feature for AMD GPU. You can also enable TressFX in Tomb Riader on nvidia card

EDIT: I'm not sure why I'm getting thumbs down with my comments when I'm telling the truth. YES TRESSFX does work with nvidia card.
0 2 [Posted by: maroon1  | Date: 06/13/13 05:20:22 AM]
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Cause Nvidia fanboys didn't like AMD being nice boy not like Nvidia who have locked CUDA and bullshit physics.
0 0 [Posted by: Atlastiamhere  | Date: 06/17/13 06:00:15 AM]
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why PS4 will kill TITAN coz ps3 with 256mb 176 Gflops gpu,256 mb ram runs crysis 3 perfectly smooth while running same on pc we require at least 10X powerful gpu and 5gb ram


AMD APU and modern intel graphics can run crysis 3 on 1366x768 and low sttings
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph6993/55290.png

On the other hand Crysis 3 run 1152x720 on 360 and 1024x720 on the PS3, and details doesn't look better than PC low settings.
http://www.eurogamer.net/...foundry-crysis-3-face-off

Not to mention that fps is below 30fps most of time

PS3 can't even match modern integrated graphics. And no you don't need 10x power of consoles to play crysis 3. Maybe you need that power if you want to play it on high settings at 1080 with 60fps which something that PS3 can't do.




0 2 [Posted by: maroon1  | Date: 06/13/13 05:33:58 AM]
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agreed
0 0 [Posted by: mudi1  | Date: 07/07/13 04:18:18 AM]
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Except?that everyone will be developing for AMD cards and not nvidia, so nvidia will get crushed in benchmarks and gaming alike. Intel's a bit more on the safe side since their technology is still superior on the desktop side, but nvidia is in for a rude awakening (especially when opencl drivers finally mature enough for AMD)
4 1 [Posted by: basroil  | Date: 06/13/13 12:59:33 AM]
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0 3 [Posted by: maroon1  | Date: 06/13/13 03:21:06 AM]
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Alan Wake is a horrible example since they more or less rewrote the graphics engine when they rereleased (more than just a "port" on windows.

Sad fact is that most games just aren't actually optimized for AMD right now, since integer optimizations are difficult at best, and not really worth it when half the people play without that need. You'll see a shift in game engine development starting next year, and when those games come out you'll see Nvidia getting crushed.
0 1 [Posted by: basroil  | Date: 06/13/13 07:59:44 PM]
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You want other examples. Mass effect 1, Gear of war 1 and Trials Evolution are all xbox 360 ports. And AMD doesn't crush nvidia in any of those games despite that 360 uses radeon GPU

There is no evidence that next generation ports will run better on radeon just because they use redeon. Maybe you are saying that just to make gullible people avoid buying nvidia. Why not wait to see actual results ?

Some AMD fanboys were telling me that bulldozer will smoke intel when windows 8 comes out. Did that happen ?



0 1 [Posted by: maroon1  | Date: 06/14/13 06:51:55 AM]
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Mass effect 1/2 are unreal3 engine based. Not to mention they look like crap on xbox.

For the record, I run nvidia cards on all my machines, from old 7k mobile series to 560/660 cards. I would hate to see nvidia get crushed, but it will happen
0 1 [Posted by: basroil  | Date: 06/14/13 10:06:03 AM]
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so what u talk about heterogeneous computing capabilities of PS4. nvidia have any answer for that surely not coz nvidia's heterogeneous computing will come with ARM cores since don't have expensive x86 license so which franchise code whole game for ARM core i know emulating from x86 to ARM is possible but it requires license from intel and intel will never do that. and in 2014 AMD will realese first discreet gpu supporting heterogeneous computing than what nvidia will do, wait for volta's 3D stacking everyone here knows AMD already successfully made 3D stacked SoC in 2011 so AMD can release that rabbit any time from it's hat as nvidia ceo jen....long name said in conference that they are already 4 years behind than AMD.
0 1 [Posted by: mudi1  | Date: 06/15/13 05:18:36 AM]
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agreed
0 0 [Posted by: mudi1  | Date: 07/07/13 04:19:41 AM]
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That really doesn't matter, there aren't enough big differences between GCN and kepler that allow you to make any big differences in terms of optimizations. They both use the same APIs, you can optimize your process a bit for the architecture that GCN uses, but it's still not going to 'crush' kepler. Same vice-versa
0 1 [Posted by: dinosore  | Date: 06/13/13 03:57:38 AM]
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Clearly you've completely ignored the actual hardware. Let me sum up the most important fact:

AMD is good with integers, poor with floats, on both CPU and GPU
Nvidia is good with floats, marginal with integers (since they run at the same speed as floats

If developers optimize their engines for integers (which WILL happen), the end result will be lackluster performance on nvidia cards unless they also focus on integers (and say bye-bye to CUDA performance if that happens)
0 2 [Posted by: basroil  | Date: 06/13/13 07:42:40 PM]
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Incorrect, AMD GPUs have the highest floating point computational speed which NVIDIA could never compete with. AMD CPUs have FPUs which are designed different, eight 128-bit FPUs which also act as four 256-bit FPUs.
0 0 [Posted by: mmstick  | Date: 06/22/13 02:52:42 PM]
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agreed
0 0 [Posted by: mudi1  | Date: 06/15/13 05:08:02 AM]
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Nvidia missed the console contract because its future with x86 is tenuous. Nvidia won't stand to gain anywhere near as much just piggybacking off AMD. Today I will spare Nvidia supporters my usual rant about Nvidia's doomed future.

http://www.techpowerup.co...vely-on-amd-products.html
3 2 [Posted by: linuxlowdown  | Date: 06/13/13 01:01:21 AM]
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lest hope AMD and Nvidia fuse, it's their only chance against Intel and ARM.
0 1 [Posted by: 63jax  | Date: 06/13/13 03:40:38 AM]
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But grandiose Mr Huang will want to be again the supreme leader of the merged organisation without compromise, so it won't happen. But what I think will actually happen is that after 2016, Intel will buy out Nvidia and Mr Huang will start up another company with former employees doing something else in tech (which they're probably already secretly working on).
1 0 [Posted by: linuxlowdown  | Date: 06/13/13 04:10:48 AM]
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All we get on PC are shitty console ports that require stupid GPU power becasue they are not optimized for PC.

Just wait till next gen consoles and we get even shittier ports and require even more ridicules GPU power something down to the lines of two titans GPUs just to get playable framerate.


0 1 [Posted by: sanity  | Date: 06/13/13 05:16:00 AM]
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Even A10 APU or intel iris iGPU will run almost any cross-platform game better than current generation consoles

People forget that most games on consoles runs on 720p (some games even run at sub 720p), with lower graphics settings. You don't need powerful GPU to play at those settings.

My brother owns an xbox 360, and most of the games he have looks like crap. Even my old nvidia 8800GTS produce better visuals.
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0 6 [Posted by: Teemu Ruskeepää  | Date: 06/13/13 06:34:01 AM]
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So when will nVidia develop a GPU that fully supports D3D11.1? What they have now is... what.. 11.0 and a bit?
0 1 [Posted by: JAMF  | Date: 06/13/13 11:22:27 AM]
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