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AMD A10-7850K (Kaveri) Review: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back
"For all that, AMD prices the A10-7850K very high, pitting it against junior Core i5 models which are actually much faster except when we use the integrated graphics. That’s why the A10-7850K seems only to be interesting for users of compact entry-level gaming configurations."
It goes without saying that the Kaveri’s integrated graphics is superior to any other, yet it still cannot ensure a playable frame rate in any game at the Full-HD resolution even with low visual quality settings. It must be granted, though, that the A10-7850K delivers a high enough frame rate at 1920x1080 in a number of popular games including some online ones.
OK, so what's the difference between playable and high enough ?
Is undue commercial pressure is been applied? If so then let it be known or is it too damaging to do a fair test of like to like and market segment to market segment and price to price comparison?
It would seem to me and lots of other readers that fear dictates the fairness of most tests by all reviewers as if the giant receives unfavourable test results then advertising is withdrawn from the offending publication not only by the giant but also from other advertisers who have been coerced directly or implied threats.
That being said I think this review was just a misunderstanding of what Kaveri is and it's intended audience. Anyone who has been involved with PCs for more than five minutes knows that AMD APUs are the gold standard in performance so it's laughable to even discuss the competition because AMD has none at the moment when it comes to APUs.
By not understanding the intended market segment it leads to all sorts of false and inappropriate conclusions based on personal beliefs and expectations. Kaveri is in fact not only an excellent APU it is a game changer for the entire X86 PC industry with HSA and hUMA. This is the way forward for the X86 industry and the majority of PC players are all onboard. Expect Intel to try and copy, change the names of the tech and dissuade any AMD supporters.
Why you would conclude that better performance, lower cost and lower power consumption = "a bunch of flop" is unknown but that's what AMD's APUs bring to the table and that is why they are such a sales success. AMD APUs have even been used in high powered servers where they were never intended to be used so if you dislike the benefits of APUs you are in the minority.
change the build to a phenom x4, am3+ and a r270 and the outcome would be the same.. kev = sphincter demolished.
All currently available applications with heterogeneous computing support make use of the OpenCL 1.2 API which doesn’t regard processor cores of different types as equivalent to each other. From an ordinary user’s standpoint, the Kaveri is just the same as its predecessor Richland when it comes to hybrid computing
Dude....1080P IS FUllHD.
this 160$ 8350 is a better deal... more performance per thread by a WIDE margin.. add in a 260 or 260x and it will cost more but run circles around kev in all but the "2" hsa apps in pre-beta that exist.
As you say, Kaveri is a niche product that's priced too high ATM.
Concerning power consumption, many motherboards have the option in the BIOS to bypass the TDP limit of the SOC (setting it higher than 95W). Did you experiment with this? And what effect did it have on the clock frequency?
"If you take a chip that was designed around providing a better integrated graphics experience than any other chip in the market and just ignore the iGPU you get poor performance".
Really? Heres my shock face. :|
How about we pair that i5 with an R7 250 and compare it to an A10-7850k with an R7 250 in crossfire?
Or how about just that i5 vs just a Kaveri, no discrete GPU at all?
No one doubts that Intel makes better CPUs in terms of performance. What AMD offers is a better value proposition for those building on a budget as you get a good iGPU with that CPU. One that is worth using.
Worst of all, those Firestrike results are bunk:
Best ever(not stable): http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2054605
Best stable: http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2150683
Futuremark wasnt detecting system memory frequency correctly. GPU memory bus clock is accurate (remember, x2 for DDR).
Those are with an A10-6800k, not even a Kaveri. Gimme a Kaveri and I bet I can hit 2k, maybe better depending on how the iGPU overclocks (doubt Ill get 1.1ghz, but Id try). Plus I dont have the sick RAM these guys were using (using 2x4 GSkill Sniper 2133 C10). With those Tridents, 2k would be no problem, as memory latency is everything to an iGPU.
I dont have the best score anymore (that goes to a guy who beat my 1423 by 4 freakin points on the same day), but Im up there. Most AMD chips shine with OCing and the APUs are no exception.
Edited to add: For the purposes of this "review", the reviewer might as well have used an Athlon x4 760k. Same CPU as an A10-6800k but without the iGPU. Oh and its $90.
What a bunch of *****! Over 40 fps or 70 fps in maximum quality. That's an awesome score! Very smooth gameplay. Who the hell is writing those reviews? 15-yo Intel fanboys?
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