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<R.t..>^>Fusionc
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All this talk about "Fermi" , here is the real Fermi:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrico_Fermi
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| Enrico Fermi (29 September 1901 – 28 November 1954) was an Italian physicist most noted for his work on the development of the first nuclear reactor, and for his contributions to the development of quantum theory, nuclear and particle physics, and statistical mechanics. Fermi was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1938 for his work on induced radioactivity and is today regarded as one of the top scientists of the 20th century. He is acknowledged as a unique physicist who was highly accomplished in both theory and experiment.[1] Fermium, a synthetic element created in 1952, the Fermi National Accelerator Lab, and a type of particles called fermions are named after him. |
Quite a dude! Any product named after him has a LOT to live up to!!   |
Hence my joke/reference to the Fermi accelerator and black holes eariler in this thread. 
Wouldn't want nVidia to end up in a black hole because of their Fermi architecture.
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Shades
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:27 am Post subject: |
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Oops, double post, I see.
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Shades
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:32 am Post subject: |
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| clone wrote: |
you should not have responded to O'h3 and my discussion.
in the future if you aren't interested then remain quiet, do you work for Nvidia because imposing direction comes across as notably "shill'esque" and you've been running with an Nvidia position for quite a while now. |
Bullshit. I just give my opinion as I see it. If anyone demonstrates consistent bias in their posting, then it is you, unfortunately. You are arrogant enough to give me advice, so I'll return the favour: try and understand what you are talking about better before you post and try not to think in terms of 'sides'.
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Stupify
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:36 am Post subject: |
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Why are you quoting yourself and calling it bullshit!??!? 
Anyways don't you two think you have stretched this too far from topic? Wasn't there an agreement that such bickering can be done over PMs instead of thread-crapping?
Sorry for the harsh remarks but I am noticing that vast majority of threads are turning into this sort of thread-crapping. |
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Shades
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:25 am Post subject: |
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| lol...that is actually a quote of clone. I'll go back to edit the post. |
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o'h3nry
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:44 am Post subject: |
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Nvidia to Ramp Up Production of Fermi Graphics Cards Only in 2010. Nvidia Admits Delays of Next-Gen Graphics Cards
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| Nvidia’s first quarter of fiscal year 2011 begins on the 26th of January and ends on the 26th of April, 2010. Therefore, the claim by Mr. Huang means that Nvidia will only be able to start commercial shipments its next-generation graphics cards based on Fermi architecture in calendar 2010, not in calendar 2009, as the company promised originally. |
From our very own Xbit Labs
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clone
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:40 am Post subject: |
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| Bullshit. I just give my opinion as I see it. If anyone demonstrates consistent bias in their posting, then it is you, unfortunately. You are arrogant enough to give me advice, so I'll return the favour: try and understand what you are talking about better before you post and try not to think in terms of 'sides'. |
"calling it as you see it"......."arrogant enough"....you've always been a bad joke and yes you do come across as an Nvidia shill.
next time be proactive and try to regain control of your hands because they've been getting away from you again.
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don't you two think you have stretched this too far from topic? Wasn't there an agreement that such bickering can be done over PMs instead of thread-crapping?
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Stupify mind your own business, you cry far too often.
my comments were clean enough and had remained such until now.
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Stupify
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:14 am Post subject: |
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Stupify mind your own business, you cry far too often.
my comments were clean enough and have remained such up until Shades ranted and I will respond when attacked so backoff. |
So you are going to waste hours and hours of time bickering to some guy you don't know and could give rat's ass about your opinion. Is this the sensible thing to do?
This again is not an attack to you personally and I am not even going to entertain this sort of back and forth. It is meant to be just a 'ponder-is-it-worth-a-while' comment. But if that has no effect for this or any future such thread-crapping, by all means go have a blast. |
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Hammer_Time
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:07 am Post subject: |
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I agree with Stupify, far too much "thread crapping" going on in here lately.
The problem with Clone's statement that "I will respond when attacked so backoff" is that much of what Shades says is actually not an "attack" on Clone, just a comment or constructive criticism, and not meant to be flame-bait. Not always, but have noticed that Clone is hyper-sensitive to Shades comments, as Stupify has also noticed , and most likely others reading this thread as well. The other mods and I have been discussing what we should do about this situation in our Behind The Scenes forum, and we are getting ready to hand out Yellow Cards ( again! ) to both Clone and Shades, and possibly locking this thread temporarily if they cannot "relax" and keep on harassing each other here. Hopefully it does not come to that, warning given ( from all the mods btw , not just me ). Thanks.
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o'h3nry
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:17 am Post subject: |
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I feel that people should be allowed to express their viewpoints and even discuss the differences (a little heat is OK with me) but when it gets to the point where the people involved in the escalated situation, the people in the thread, and the observers know that no resolution is possible, a cease fire seems to be the only answer. Agreeing to disagree. IIRC, it happened naturally in one thread- and that was a refreshing sight to see. I know we're all adults and I hope at some point conflict can be resolved without Moderator intervention.
my $.02
A little on topic, It's interesting how Nvidia manufacturers such as EVGA are using this down-time to create some unique cards (GTX 275 CO-OP) to attempt stirring some interest in their arena. I bet XFX is sure glad they expanded into making Radeon cards right now!!
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Hammer_Time
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:24 am Post subject: |
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Well put o'hn3ry!!
Regarding that new GTX 275 CO-OP card, that is pretty neat!
http://www.evga.com/articles/00503/
The power of a GTX 275 with dedicated PhysX in one card!
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EVGA is proud to announce the EVGA GTX 275 CO-OP PhysX graphics solution. This card takes a GTX 275 dedicated for graphics, and a GTS 250 dedicated for PhysX® and combines them on a single card.
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That would rock! My only problem with it is that nVidia is trying to shove their proprietary "PhysX" gpu tech down everyone's throats. To be honest, I prefer the OpenCL approach which works on ANY cpu or gpu...I have a feeling that in the end OpenCL will win out because of that alone, could be wrong, but that is my prediction.
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Shades
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:50 am Post subject: |
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One can perhaps see this in two ways:
1)The process yield problems are affecting both parties (as one can see from the current shortages) and nVidia doesn't see much point in trying to ramp a product until the process technology is sorted out, especially since it has the larger and more complex chip.
2)Fermi just isn't ready anyway. |
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<R.t..>^>Fusionc
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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That would rock! My only problem with it is that nVidia is trying to shove their proprietary "PhysX" gpu tech down everyone's throats. To be honest, I prefer the OpenCL approach which works on ANY cpu or gpu...I have a feeling that in the end OpenCL will win out because of that alone, could be wrong, but that is my prediction. |
Mind you OpenCL is an API which one can write a physics engine based on it.
And yeah, I do agree that nVidia is trying to push a proprietary system which is really stupid form my point of view. Still not big enough and you are forced to go green. I like AMDs approach to their platforms, use open standards for the best compatibility and performance without being forced to go for a certain vendor.
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o'h3nry
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No doubt, GPU accelerated physics is a great perk for taking load off the CPU (and why Intel should feel threatened by the technology). When Nvidia first introduced Cuda/Physx when they acquired Ageia, wasn't there something about Nvidia offering CUDA to ATI to use, but ATI didn't want to? IIRC ATI developed "ATI Stream" instead, which does GPGPU folding well- but not near as well as CUDA on a GeForce card.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| <R.t..>^>Fusionc wrote: |
| Hammer_Time wrote: |
That would rock! My only problem with it is that nVidia is trying to shove their proprietary "PhysX" gpu tech down everyone's throats. To be honest, I prefer the OpenCL approach which works on ANY cpu or gpu...I have a feeling that in the end OpenCL will win out because of that alone, could be wrong, but that is my prediction. |
Mind you OpenCL is an API which one can write a physics engine based on it.
And yeah, I do agree that nVidia is trying to push a proprietary system which is really stupid form my point of view. Still not big enough and you are forced to go green. I like AMDs approach to their platforms, use open standards for the best compatibility and performance without being forced to go for a certain vendor. |
Yep, here are some more applications that OpenCL is capable of:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenCL
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On August 5, 2009, AMD unveiled the first development tools for its OpenCL platform as part of its ATI Stream SDK v2.0 Beta Program.[14]
On October 13, 2009, AMD released the fourth beta of the ATI Stream SDK 2.0, which provides a complete OpenCL implementation on both R700/R800 GPUs and SSE3 capable CPUs. The SDK is available for both Linux and Windows. [17] |
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OpenCL 1.0 at a glance
OpenCL (Open Computing Language) is the first open, royalty-free standard for general-purpose parallel programming of heterogeneous systems. OpenCL provides a uniform programming environment for software developers to write efficient, portable code for high-performance compute servers, desktop computer systems and handheld devices using a diverse mix of multi-core CPUs, GPUs, Cell-type architectures and other parallel processors such as DSPs. |
That is why I think that eventually OpenCL will win and PhysX will die out ( game developers will embrace OpenCL which runs on any cpu/gpu combination, whereas nVidia's proprietary PhysX API will only run on nVidia hw...which game developers will shun in favour of OpenCL... I could be wrong of course... )
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Shades
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:57 am Post subject: |
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Let's not forget all the other options either. OpenCL isn't the only game in town. Also, as RT kinda indicated, PhysX is a fizzics specific API, which is something different from a general approach to parallel programming. Something like DirectPhysics would be nice, if it can capture what programmers want from a fizzics API.
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Sauron_Daz
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:13 am Post subject: |
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Isn't Blizzard implementing Physx in bot SC II and D III?
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:35 am Post subject: |
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| I seem to remember reading that DIII uses Havok stuff? |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:20 am Post subject: |
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Right, that was it. Havok.
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<R.t..>^>Fusionc
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Right, that was it. Havok. |
Is Havok an open physics platform? IIRC, so far AMD and Intel are planning to use it in some fashion. Doesn't Intel own the guys who made Havok?
I don't it to go proprietary lane.
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