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According to slides which resemble those from the roadmaps of Advanced Micro Devices, the first desktop chip from the world’s second largest chipmaker made using 65nm process technology will be released in the first half of 2007 to substitute the mainstream dual-core 90nm products. Another 65nm microprocessor is slated to be released in the second half of next year and target entry-level computers.

The slides, which presumably reflect a recent roadmap of AMD, published by HKEPC web-site contain some information about code-named Brisbane and Sparta processors. The Brisbane chip will be made using 65nm process technology, will sport two processing engines and will come out in the first half of 2007. Meanwhile, the product code-named Sparta, also made using 65nm process technology, will be launched in the second half of next year.

If the slides are correct, then Brisbane will target the market of mainstream dual-core processors, whereas Sparta will serve entry-level computers.

Both 65nm processors will be designed for Socket AM2 form-factor, which means that both will support dual-channel DDR2 memory, but it is unclear what speed-bin. It is unclear which additional technologies – enhanced security code-named Presidio, virtualization named Pacifica, etc. – these chips will support.

AMD traditionally begins transition to thinner process technologies starting from its low-cost and mainstream product lineups. High-end offerings are typically made using mature fabrication processes.

The beginning of revenue shipments of 65nm chips was delayed by AMD. Initially AMD indicated that the “idea” of AMD was to begin to process 65nm in the middle of 2005 and “bring it into production in 2006”. Late in 2005 the company said it would only begin production of 65nm in late 2006.

AMD did not comment on the news-story.

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They're whistling past the graveyard being so far behind Intel. By the time they move to 65nm, Intel will be close to .45. Considering the Merom/Conroe should by all indications be considerably superior to the mediocre Athlon 64, and be on a smaller lithography for at least six months, AMD's going to have a very difficult competitive situation facing them.

Also, the first attempt at a smaller lithography is normally pretty lousy these days, and it is the subsequent ones that typically show a bigger advantage. AMD had better get their act together on manufacturing, with designs being so mature these days, manufacturing could easily be the major differentiator in the very near future.
[Posted by: TA152H  | Date: 02/08/06 03:00:22 PM]

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Spoken like a true Intel fanboy. While 65nm would be nice, it's not like they NEED 65nm like Intel does. For Intel it was either cooler 65nm chips or keep putting out hot 90nm chips.

Mediocre Athlon64 indeed. . . .what the hell ever.
[Posted by: NightWatch  | Date: 02/08/06 06:41:18 PM]
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what
[Posted by: what  | Date: 02/08/06 10:43:03 PM]

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Do you need glasses to read those articles comparing Yonah and A64?

The overall performance difference is none. Both do about the same. Yonah may win here, A64 may win there, but overall performance is in line with one another.

If A64 is mediocre, what's Yonah? A modified Pentium III design with a P4 bus and various powersaving features slapped in. Wow, superior innovation right there!

What you're saying, TA152H, is equivalent to labelling Windows a superior design to anything out there...When its clearly not. (and in truth, 60%+ of the webservers out there are Linux-based or some other Unix variation).

The key disadvantage to AMD is their limited resources, not the processor design. They don't have the same manufacturing capacity, R&D and marketing machine as Intel.

They don't have the resources to compete with Intel, one on one at EVERYTHING. They do what they can with the resources they have.

Even with your mental capacity, its not hard to figure out. Think about it. Intel currently has Itanium, P4/P-D, Pentium-M that covers the mobile, desktop, workstation and server markets.

There are 3 very different designs to chose from, based on your needs.

With AMD, they just use one design and make variations of it.

Sempron = K8, small cache.

Sempron64 = same as previous, but with AMD64 capability. Identical to A64 but with less cache.

A64 = Desktop/Workstation. Larger cache, dual-core models.

Opteron = Workstation/Server. As above, as well as SMP support.

And you expect AMD to compete 1 to 1 with Intel? Yeah, right. Already, you can see by AMD's attempts at using one design for almost everything, that they don't have the capacity to take on Intel head-on.



Seriously, TA152H...Get a life. You post every time there's an article about Intel or AMD.

BTW, your Intel reality distortion field is set too high. Consider toning it down, and coming back to the REAL WORLD.
[Posted by: Wayne  | Date: 02/09/06 01:36:02 AM]
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I agree with TA152H,

Athlon 64 is a mediocre design,
But I must also say that Intel last attempts are even worst:

-Itanium: Intel attempt to get rid of x86 and their clones (AMD, Cyrix, ...), one of the biggest crap of all time. There are better performing designs from other companies (IBM, Sun) for the market where Itanium is aimed.

-Pentium4: Intel most adaptable microprocessor design, but is suffering from some bad manufacturing process or redesign since Prescott. Turned out also of the biggest crap of all time.

-Intel PentiumM: 0% of innovation still stands in time, a 1997 design still in use today (amazing). Very low power, but the question is if Intel keeps redesigning the 486 to hit higher speeds on current platforms should we also expect a very low power chip? I assume that the 486 manufactured on today process would hit what 1Watt? 5Watts maximum?
Last innovation on this design is the dual core with shared cache, but even that I assume that there will be times where a shared core cache will be faster, and other times dedicated core cache will be faster, time will tell.


TA152H, wait for the K9 that AMD keeps delaying, that one of the biggest things will be the ability to connect to co processors, I’m already imaging dedicated XML, JAVA, SQL accelerators, GPU, physics,... wait and see up to 80% performance boosts.

“Merom/Conroe should by all indications be considerably superior” lets hope so, or it will be the last intel processor crap.
[Posted by: Kaz  | Date: 02/09/06 04:51:37 AM]

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Other thing TA152H,

Even if Merom/Conroe will only use 30W while AMD uses 45W/65W. People still go after AMD (like they have gone in the past) because AMD will be always cheaper.

Other thing is if AMD consumes more but runs faster than Merom/Conroe, people will go for the faster, because the problem of P4 is not just it's super power consuming, is the very poor performance it gives.

It’s not even an question of performance/watt ratio that Intel wants to bring into the market, because if it was that we would be talking of Via C7, mobile phones processors, …
[Posted by: Kaz  | Date: 02/09/06 05:48:38 AM]
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Hey TA152H, go troll somewhere else, nobody cares for your idiotic rants.
[Posted by: Pooper  | Date: 02/09/06 09:04:19 AM]
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Such a harsh population around here, I think Ill just stay clear of you nut jobs.
[Posted by: The_Starfox  | Date: 02/09/06 11:18:58 AM]

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Athlon64 has no major weaknesses, unlike for example the Pentium 4 (D) [heat].
General performance is on all fronts excellent, whereas the Dothan has some areas where performance is noticeably behind. Still the Dothan is a great processor in a laptop, and I enjoy it very much in my T42.

A wish for the next AMD Athlon64 processor would be a similar TDP for next-gen dual-core compared to current generation single-core. I doubt that is possible without a die shrink.
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