2. August??? Are you claiming to be more knowledgeable in this than the analysts???
"...many now expect AMD’s new chips to become massively available only in Q4 2007."
Oh, but AMD our god denies these claims, so lets forget about that. It wasn't really there, those are just evil rumors that Intel is spreading.
Oh, and while AMD is delaying, Intel is actually pulling their 45nm desktop CPU release from 2008 to Q4 2007. And I suspect they are good for that, as they have proven in countless earlier releases since the initial release of the Core 2 Duo.
We still haven't seen any real Barcelona vs Penryn benchmark, so who could say that gluing dies is still a bad
thing? Once hands-on comparisons show an advantage to AMD's quad core solution, then I'd clearly see Barcelona as the
better solution, as simple as that. Till then this argument is theoretical and open to too much estimations.
Why can't a company that has a 80% market share make a CPU perfect? Why should they??? Isn't "better" a good enough goal to reach at a lower development cost compared to the more costy "perfect" goal? It's a business, not a Japanese tea ceremony. The goal is making the more attractive products with the largest profit margin. If that doesn't make sense because it doesn't supply the rulezzzz ZZZ zzz ZZZ zzz (this lame term always makes my brain go numb) effect, then I can't help you in this. Then it's only a matter of being a fanboy…
3. True, the 6000+ consumes 120W and not 130W, but it's NOT a quad core CPU. The QX6700 consumes 127W, but it IS a
quad core CPU. Where is the comparison here? 2 apples vs 4 apples?
Well, the fact that NetBurst systems are still in stock doesn't mean that these are current models. I pity a person who buys a P4 system on a whim (like one would buy a bag of tomatoes) instead of doing a thorough market research before investing his money in a computer. At least ask someone credible for a recommendation. There are many respected and tech sites forum mods who would be glad to recommend a setup for a budget. I'm sure none of them would utter the word P4 out of their keyboard.
4. Your first link is about the server segment, and I admit that AMD does have some strong points there. The fact that it's capable of maintaining some of its market share in this segment shows that quite clearly.
Now lets analyze your second link results:
Semprons do win the efficiency test, but can you really compare them to the E6300??? The 4x00 models that are of a direct competition to the Semprons are missing from this test. Now lets find a nice pair to compare, how about the E6700 vs the 6000+? As the 33% and 66% load charts show the E6700 gets more points, and that's even without comparing the "worth" of the performance difference between these models. The situation is even worse in the 100% chart, as AMD's only strength in the power field comes from an efficient idle power save. Or in other words, AMD CPUs are best at doing nothing!!! When the CPU is under load the true inefficiency of the current AMD CPUs is shown. Now, the real interesting charts in this article are the Cost Per Year ones. Though, there's a problem here. The 1st chart shows the cost in idle, while the 2nd charts shows the cost in 100% load. There are no cost calculations for the more realistic 33% and 66% loads. The idle chart does show an AMD advantage, while the 100% the advantage goes to Intel.
BUT, fortunately, the excellent article you've pointed us to does offer some clear cut charts with the charming title "Best Processor":
Calculated at 33% Price + 33% Performance + 33% Energy Efficiency, and split to categories:
Check out which processors win most first places...
Now the overall winners:
Ummm, all 3 first places to Core 2 Duo CPUs???
5. An Intel motherboard that can do all that? Well, I'd say a nvidia 680i SLI based motherboard offers all the features to answer the needs of at least 98%-99% of all home users. Such a motherboard (for example from the excellent eVGA can be bought at around $200). How does that compare to the $350 4x4 motherboard? Now lets compare availability of 680i SLI motherboard vs 4x4 motherboards??? Oh wait, that would a tad too weird. And availability is not only how easy it is to buy it, but also the size of the install base, and thus how quickly bugs are founds and get addressed.
6. AMD consumes less??? Did you pay attention only to the idle chart? Did you compare Semprons to E6300 :) ? Why not try to understand the full meanings of the Overall Best Processor chart???
And regarding AMD's Green Machine - well, that was a truly nice initiative, and Intel was late to join in, but here's their answer:
7. OK, this is subject is too wide, as I haven't recently seen any clear cut article dedicated to finding the more overclockable (similarly priced) system (with the stock cooler, with a better air cooler, with water cooling, phase, etc...).
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