Advanced Micro Devices plans to initiate manufacturing of its next-generation code-named Trinity accelerated processing units (APUs) for desktops in March, 2012. Initially, the company will target low-power systems and sometimes in May in plans to start manufacturing of high-performance next-gen Fusion A-series APUs.
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Staring from early and middle March, 2012, AMD intends to mass produce its A-series "Trinity" accelerated processing units with 65W thermal design power (TDP), according to an AMD document seen by X-bit labs. In early May, 2012, the chip designer wants to initiate mass production of A-series "Trinity" APUs with 100W TDP and higher performance.
The 65W chips will belong to A10-5700, A8-5500, A6-5400 and A4-5300 families, whereas 100W microprocessors will only fit into A10-5800 and A8-5600 series.
It is unclear whether AMD will launch all versions of its chips at the same time, or microprocessors with 65W TDP that will hit mass production two months earlier will be formally introduced earlier than the more powerful parts.
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Before releasing its highly-anticipated A-series "Trinity" APUs for desktop computer later in the year, AMD will refresh the family of its accelerated processing units with unlocked A8-3870K and A6-3670K "Llano" chips as well as A8-3820, A6-3620 and A4-3420 products in January, 2012.
AMD did not comment on its plans since they are not yet made public.
AMD’s second-generation code-named Trinity APU for mainstream personal computers (Comal for notebooks and Virgo for desktops) will be made using 32nm SOI HKMG process technology at Globalfoundries. The APU will feature up to four x86 cores powered by enhanced Bulldozer/Piledriver architecture, AMD Radeon HD 7000-series "Southern Islands" graphics core with DirectX 11-class graphics support, DDR3 memory controller and other improvements. The chips will be compatible with new FM2 infrastructure.
According to a slide that resembles those from AMD's presentations published by a web-site, AMD projects Trinity's Piledriver x86 cores to offer up to 20% higher performance compared to Husky x86 cores inside Llano. In addition, the newly-architected DirectX 11 graphics core will provide up to 30% higher speed in graphics applications, such as video games. The 20% speed improvement represents AMD's projections "using digital media workload" and actual performance advantage over currently available Fusion A-series "Llano" vary depending on the applications and usage models.
AMD expects the new Trinity APUs to be not only faster than Llano, but also more available because of improved yields as well as because increased number of 32nm SOI/HKMG wafer starts starting from the fourth quarter.
Tags: AMD, Bulldozer, Trinity, Llano, 32nm, Piledriver, Virgo, Comal
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This is good news for consumers.
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Posted by: beenthere
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Date: 11/30/11 09:15:19 AM]
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No is it not good news you fool. That put AMD even farther behind Intel. Not that Desktop Llano is any good because it is not. I wont buy anything AMD until they can have good performance per watt and right now they are not even close.
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Posted by: jmlxg
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Date: 11/30/11 12:03:13 PM]
Cough, Intel fan boy!
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Posted by: parkerm35
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Date: 12/06/11 01:35:23 AM]
No...You're Wrong about that. Its just that I want a CPU that has high IPC and/or have good peformance per watt and AMD doesn't have either one.
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Posted by: jmlxg
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Date: 12/07/11 08:31:40 PM]
Llano is a perfect chip for a Media centre, low power and can do everything you need. It's a fantastic chip.
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Posted by: parkerm35
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Date: 02/16/12 03:48:25 PM]
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Hmm, AMD said earlier, that Trinity will be in shops at begginning of the year. So this statement 'begin production in March' looks like FIRST DELAY OF TRINITY.
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Posted by: Tristan
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Date: 11/30/11 11:50:02 AM]
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AMD introduced Llano for notebooks earlier than Llano for desktops. The same strategy can be applied here. The only question is why don't they promise to show the first Trinity-based laptops at CES, if they are ready to sell the APU early in the year?
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Posted by: Anton
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Date: 11/30/11 12:47:37 PM]
Anton,is this true?
AMD: It Won't Be About 'AMD vs. Intel' Anymore
http://www.tomshardware.c...es-ARM-Tegra-3,14114.html
Do you have any news about that?
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Posted by: Pouria
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Date: 11/30/11 01:34:46 PM]
I am trying to clarify with Michael what exactly did he want to say.
There are at least two strategic inflection points that we are facing today:
1. GPGPU. GPUs are becoming flexible and efficient to power supercomputers and accelerate consumer software.
2. ARM. Devices powered by ARM disrupt PC market. Potentially, one or more ARM partners may enter the ultra low cost PC market with Windows 8 launch.
There are also huge changes in the desktop/mobile/ultra-mobile software world. The communication world is in the midst of strategic drift.
The inflection point we are in has nothing to do with competitive positions between AMD and Intel. So, I doubt that x86 performance will cease to matter shortly.
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Posted by: Anton
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Date: 12/01/11 02:18:19 AM]
Thank you Anton for the reply.
It would be nice if you could have an interview with Mr. Read sooner and ask him xbitlabs's members questions or just xbitlabs's questions
about AMD's future plans or what he thinks or so.
I personally have got the latest trust-able news about AMD mostly from xbitlabs to be honest since I have found this website and I think this site have a good relationship with guys in AMD. Thanks again
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Posted by: Pouria
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Date: 12/01/11 08:55:48 AM]
We are alwayws working on something. The question is whether companies want to answer our questions.
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Posted by: Anton
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Date: 12/01/11 01:08:58 PM]
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Only 20% Higher performance and about 30% higher clock speeds = LAMESAUCE.
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Date: 11/30/11 12:04:25 PM]
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No problem if power consumption is smaller
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Posted by: Ummikummi
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Date: 12/01/11 07:42:46 AM]
Yes it is a big problem because if the power consumption is similar to llano there won't be much reason to upgrade.
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Posted by: jmlxg
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Date: 12/01/11 11:45:46 AM]
20% more performance for the cpu, 30% for the GPU?
if you already have a llano then maybe not but if you are looking at laptops then there is no point in getting llano if trinity is in the shops.
there is almost never a good reason to upgrade to a new generation if you have the current product. only apple's has been able to convince soms of their fanboys of that... and 'reason' had nothing to do with that.
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Posted by: Countess
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Date: 12/02/11 04:19:53 AM]
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AMD lost the high performance battle to intel almost 6 years ago and it has never recovered since, they either have to change direction or die. Putting more focus on smart phones and tablets where the market is the right move instead of trying to compete with intel high performance cpu's that has gotten them no where but in the red. They don't have the money or the resoruces to compete in that area. AMD caught one break back in 2003 when Intel was sleeping, but ever since the sleeping giant woke back up Intel has been on a roll and there is nothing that AMD can do about it but to change direction.
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Posted by: SteelCity1981
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Date: 11/30/11 09:02:13 PM]
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The technical ignorance and hating does not change reality. Trinity notebook chips will be out in Q1. Trinity desktop chips will start in March.
A 20% improvement in IPC and 30% in IGP is very significant and will keep AMD ahead of Intel in laptop and entry level desktop/HTPC apps.
People can hate until the cows come home but AMD is still delivering what mainstream consumers desire and that will continue.
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Posted by: beenthere
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Date: 12/01/11 09:20:04 AM]
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There is REDUCTION in IPC not an Increase. Clock speeds WILL BE HIGHER and that is what AMD Trinity will use to increase its performance.
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Posted by: jmlxg
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Date: 12/01/11 11:44:52 AM]
As I have explained to you before, you continuously post false information because you are an Intel fanbois. Being in DENIAL does not change reality. Get over it. Real world performance is what consumers care about and Trinity will continue to deliver just as Llano did by delivering better performance in an APU package.
If you had any clue about business and the PC industry you'd be thankful AMD exists or you'd be paying $1000 for a Pentium 90 CPU and living in the PC stone age.
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Posted by: beenthere
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Date: 12/01/11 12:09:25 PM]
AMD Trinity's IGP will only be a little bit faster than Ivy Bridge's IGP. AMD will have to make ultra-thin notebooks that cost less than $500 to succeed. One more thing I would be thankful that AMD exists however THEY SUCK TOO MUCH FOR ME TO CARE.
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Posted by: jmlxg
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Date: 12/01/11 02:18:16 PM]
ivy's bridges igp is 30% faster then intel's previous version, and trinities IGP is 30% faster then AMD's previous version...
AMD's previous IGP kicks intel's previous GPU's ass... so how exactly is ivy bridge going to be close to trinities?
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Posted by: Countess
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Date: 12/02/11 04:24:25 AM]
Intel's Ivy Bridge IGP will be just as good as Llano and will sometimes be as good as Trinity's. 2x improvement says a lot doesn't.
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Posted by: jmlxg
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Date: 12/02/11 05:02:42 AM]
Intel's IGP cannot even perform many of the tests while LLano scored decent results. Here are some arbitrary values to illustrate how math works: A 100% improvement on a value of 1 is only 2. A 30% improvement on a value of 10 is 13. That is a full 2 point difference. If anything AMD's IGP improvement will broaden the gap between AMD and Intel's IGP even further.
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Posted by: tlaborn
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Date: 12/02/11 11:24:30 AM]
I believe you would care if your company of choice, Intel jacked their prices by 50% just because they can if amd left the market all together.
Intel and AMD both would not be where they are today without each other and the competition between both of them. Both companies have lost and won due to the relationship they share in the industry.
Have fun hating on a company that will never go away for this very reason. Sounds like a lot of effort if you ask me.
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Posted by: veli05
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Date: 01/06/12 09:16:31 AM]
yes that was a good reason for IBM to force intel to make AMD (to create comptetion)
if AMD dies intel's performance will remain constant while prices will rise so i guess that'll kill x86 because everyone will buy ARM
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Posted by: madooo12
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Date: 12/01/11 03:45:04 PM]
There isn't any 20% IPC improvement. (IPC is performance per clock)
The only claim is a "up to" 20% *performance* improvement... in ONE particular category of application cherry picked by AMD ("digital media workload" ).
Bulldozer should've taught you how to translate AMD marketing spin.
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Posted by: chipper
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Date: 12/01/11 12:28:38 PM]
...and how do you expect they got ~20% improvement with the SAME CLOCKSPEED? Duh !
Technical ignorance and hating does NOT change reality.
BOLD text is for the reading comprehension challenged... It's time for you folks to get in touch with reality because the hate ain't changing reality one bit.
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Posted by: beenthere
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Date: 12/01/11 01:28:33 PM]
They are NOT working at the same clock speed. AMD Trinity has faster clocks and LOWER IPC and that is what makes trinity faster but it will use more power.
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Posted by: jmlxg
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Date: 12/01/11 02:15:02 PM]
You need to stop spewing technical B.S. in every AMD thread based on hate - not reality.
As I suggested before wait until Trinity is released and then see how it performs instead of SPAMMING every AMD thread with your meritless beliefs that are not based in reality.
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Posted by: beenthere
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Date: 12/01/11 06:18:50 PM]
No You're Wrong it is not based on hate or dislike of AMD. The only thing I need to wait for is the power consumption figures. My beliefs are not meritless but yours seem to be though. I tell it like it is I am totally in reality which is why I am just stating facts about AMD's Trinity that you don't seem to be aware of.
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Posted by: jmlxg
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Date: 12/01/11 06:33:41 PM]
Yes you are wrong just as you have been over and over again. I understand being a fanbois you can't deal with reality, so you'll just have to live in denial but please understand that hate and denial do not change reality.
As I've explained to you several times before, you are stating your BELIEFS, not actual facts. I am fully aware of what Trinity is and is not, unlike you who continues to post what you believe Trinity is, which is incorrect.
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Posted by: beenthere
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Date: 12/01/11 08:56:33 PM]
Hmm..AMD Fanboi you are amusing. I am not a fanboi I go for what is the fastest and has the best performance per watt that AMD doesn't have what I need right now. AMD Trinity will be an improvement but that is only because AMD Llano was mediocre. You're Wrong AMD doesn't make enough chips but they are still FAR FAR behind in both IPC and CPU performance. People go for the cheapest option and trust me it isn't always AMD.
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Posted by: jmlxg
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Date: 12/01/11 09:49:46 PM]
AMD Trinity will be an improvement but that is only because AMD Llano was mediocre.
maybe, that's your opinion, but it is also highly sought after. and trinity will be better.
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Posted by: Countess
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Date: 12/02/11 04:27:48 AM]
You and beenthere seem to be the same person and both AMD fanbois at that. Actually it may be my opinion but anandtech also stated something very similar.
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Posted by: jmlxg
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Date: 12/02/11 10:57:53 AM]
MORON!
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Posted by: dudde
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Date: 12/02/11 01:30:11 PM]
Hmm..I wonder why you think that?
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Posted by: jmlxg
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Date: 12/02/11 02:57:53 PM]
i wasn't referring to you! i replied to one of beenthere's stupid rant!
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Posted by: dudde
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Date: 01/12/12 10:49:02 AM]
Oh Sorry about that. Nice one Dude.
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Posted by: jmlxg
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Date: 02/10/12 09:58:46 PM]
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AMD is doomed. They have nothing against Intel and now I have to wait for new CPU's and Ultrabooks to be released. AMD IPC is about 6.5 for dual module while Intel has about 14 IPC. Don't tell me AMD Trinity will be good because IT WILL NOT be any good at all.
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Date: 12/06/11 06:18:07 PM]
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AMD is doomed ?? your are a child. If they are Doomed you also get Doomed. Without AMD you will still only see Pentim4 cpu's for $500 and an P4 Extrem Edition costing you a $999. If your brain is not functioning just shut your rotten mouth.Competition will always benefits consumers........
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Posted by: tks
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Date: 12/23/11 07:49:19 PM]
Derp, AMD has all they need against Intel to and it has nothing to do with who's products are better. AMD provides Intel with competition, and while yes they have not been competing well lately. They will continue to compete due to the fact if the leave the market Intel will be a monopoly and need to be broken up into separate companies anyways.
So technically if AMD goes down so will the Intel brand as it is today. It is a symbiotic relationship. Both effecting each other profoundly
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Posted by: veli05
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Date: 01/06/12 09:23:51 AM]
Derp, AMD has all they need against Intel to and it has nothing to do with who's products are better. AMD provides Intel with competition, and while yes they have not been competing well lately. They will continue to compete due to the fact if the leave the market Intel will be a monopoly and need to be broken up into separate companies anyways.
So technically if AMD goes down so will the Intel brand as it is today. It is a symbiotic relationship. Both effecting each other profoundly
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