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Advanced Micro Devices this week started to sell a new breed of its A-series accelerated processing units (APUs) code-named Llano that have higher clock-speeds and thus better performance. The refresh of the product lineup may indicate that AMD has more or less managed to solve shortage issues with its most powerful Fusion chips designed for mainstream PCs.

"The new parts are basically speed bumps, and I am taking the fact AMD can ship faster versions of A-series chips as an indicator they may be able to improve their availability. Retailers such as Newegg and Amazon couldn’t get their hands on early versions of the chips because they were so production constrained," said Nathan Brookwood, principal of Insight64, reports EETimes web-site.

On Thursday AMD added five new A-series APUs for desktops as well as eight new A-series "Fusion" chips for laptops. All Fusion processors based on Llano design feature two, three or four x86 cores code-named "Husky" that are based on the outdated micro-architecture as well as modern Radeon HD 6000-series DirectX 11-class graphics adapter.

Among other products released this week are AMD A8-3870K (4 cores at 3.0GHz, 400 stream processors at 600MHz, 4MB L2 cache, 100W TDP) and A6-3670K (4 cores at 2.70GHz, 320 stream processors at 600MHz, 4MB L2 cache, 100W TDP) with unlocked clock-speed multiplier aimed at gamers, performance enthusiasts and overclockers. The new "Black Edition" chips are priced at $135 and $115, respectively, and may be a good choice for those in budget and with overclocking ambitions.

It remains to be seen how significantly AMD manages to improve availability of its chips and whether the success with potentially improved Llano yields will automatically mean better availability of AMD's second-generation A-series APUs code-named Trinity due in late Q1 or Q2 2012.

Tags: AMD, Llano, Fusion, 32nm, Trinity, Radeon

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It's all good for AMD customers and AMD.
5 4 [Posted by: beenthere  | Date: 12/21/11 10:50:39 AM]
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Llano processors for desktops is still too expensive compared to Athlon II X4 plus discreet video cards combinations. The reason for this is buying 1866 MHz (preferably 2000 MHz) memory in order for the Llano processors to perform decent.

Llano processors belong in notebooks and not in desktops, so this processor is not good for AMD desktop customers.

In order for Llano processors to succeed in desktops, the processors have to have at least three memory channels when using 1333 MHz memory. When using 1866 MHz memory in a three memory channel setup, the bandwidth should be enough for 400 streaming processors and 4 CPU. Three 1333 MHz memory modules are cheaper than two 1866 MHz memory modules. This is the reason why Llano processors for desktops are not good for desktop AMD customers.
0 0 [Posted by: tecknurd  | Date: 12/21/11 02:02:10 PM]
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Agreed with you that CPU+GPU is memory constrained.

But first DAMN will newer use Trip(l)er-Channel memory setup on mainstrema processor as Intel also didn't but use it exclusively for highely priced CPUs and now with LGA2011 TC simply doesnt have any competitive meaning.

On the other hand this so called Fusion Operation could yield much better performance if the whole thing doesn't rely on no L3 design so they could save as much as possible space for GPUs. It simply doesnt work well as the whole thing should nowadys have QuadCh memory with DC dedicated to CPU cores and DC dedicated to GPUs just to behave similarly to discrete GPU + CPu combination

And that's not the idea ... they simply need any kind of L3 cache because huge L2 (+512MB over Denebs like in AIIx2) doesnt help in this situtaions. And to do that they need to redesign their cache approach which wouldnt happen so soon. Maybe some of SSE5/AVX in Bulldozer will elp to tie things together even w/o L3 and cache reddesign approach. Otherwise crapy SB descendants could easily overtake the crown in that segment werty son not in IvyBridge which is supposedly habve only one more "6-core GPU module" over two in Sandy Bridge Core-i series. But maybe with the next TOCK which is End of 2012 DAMN could loose the last field where they could dominate since 2008 and they NEVER DID.
0 0 [Posted by: OmegaHuman  | Date: 12/22/11 03:19:31 AM]
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you say much but not many facts like price of memory etc.

my hazy recollection of reviews was - yes - faster memory helps - but not much beyond a certain point - & that point was fairly mainstream & similar price & even cheaper than 1333 mostly - 1600 mhz ram

like i said - not sure yet but as i recall - prices change

I think llano is a natty product.

I am unconvinced ab out 4 cores - a native 2 core llano using the extra silicon spared for tweaks would be better - i think the engineers lost to marketing on that.

i can recall 2000 made little difference

re "Athlon II X4 plus discreet video cards combinations" - yeah - but what about; power, heat, noise, easy drivers, reliability, easy maintenance

price is overrated - if new & a shortage - early adopters always pay a abit more than fair market price - it must go down as it is so "all in one" w/ so little silicon - & of course so will faster ram.

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In order for Llano processors to succeed in desktops, the processors have to have at least three memory channels when using 1333 MHz memory."

what does succeed mean? at what job?

When using 1866 MHz memory in a three memory channel setup, the bandwidth should be enough for 400 streaming processors and 4 CPU."

so it does succeed? in this case - then - yes?


" Three 1333 MHz memory modules are cheaper than two 1866 MHz memory modules."

how much cheaper? - u dont say - it could be peanuts.

"This is the reason why Llano processors for desktops are not good for desktop AMD customers."


u may be right - but its a very hazy argument & u give much opinion & no facts.


0 1 [Posted by: msroadkill612  | Date: 12/22/11 07:48:32 PM]
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Oh you want to hold your hand like mamma/pappa does for you.

Athlon II X4 640 $99.99
Radeon HD 5670 $99.99
8 GB (2 X 4 GB) DDR3-1600 $43.99

Total $243.97


AMD A8-3850 $139.99
2 Qty 4 GB (2 X 2 GB) DDR3-2000 $127.98

Total $267.97

mmm, did I stutter. This is with out including the motherboard. The difference between the two is the Athlon II X4 640 is faster than A8-3850, so that setup wins.

Heat wise, since the Athlon II X4 640 has a better video card and a faster processor, it will be hotter, but do not forget it has higher performance overall. Reliability is there in both systems, but if the graphics core gets trashed in the A8-3850 who is going to replace that area of that chip. Since the graphics core is part of A8-3850, you have to replace the whole entire chip and it gets tedious to remove it. If the Radeon HD 5670 fails to work, it is an easy replacement and when it does fail there is a possibility that there is a better model that can bought at $100. If you care for noise, there is ways to do this which is water cooling or the easiest is super air coolers.

History have shown that people are not willing to pay more when something equal is cheaper. Walmart and Target comes to mind. People will always drive from store to store in order to find the cheapest product. Though in computers, people use cheaper more than they did a long time ago, but some brands have stuck in most people's mind for computers when buying which is unfortunately is Intel is in people's mind.

I have state my facts, but next time I am not going to waste my time to hold your hand to do your homework like your mamma/pappa.
0 0 [Posted by: tecknurd  | Date: 12/23/11 11:08:32 PM]
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2 Qty 4 GB (2 X 2 GB) DDR3-2000 $127.98


There's a decent jump in price from DDR3-1866 to DDR3-2000 RAM.
Interesting how neckturd chose the more expensive RAM to argue his point.
0 0 [Posted by: mamma&papa  | Date: 12/27/11 08:08:43 AM]
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Yes, it is.

@AMD please add more stocks in my country, Your AMD Llano is hard to find.

Only disadvantage is, AMD might lost significant profit from the Entry Level and maybe soon Mainstream Discrete Graphics Processor from ATI. but with its cheaper price good choice for Desktop and Notebook Users.
1 1 [Posted by: xentar  | Date: 12/22/11 07:17:27 AM]
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perhaps u should give amd a hint as to which country u r from
1 0 [Posted by: msroadkill612  | Date: 12/22/11 07:50:21 PM]
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Philippines.
0 1 [Posted by: xentar  | Date: 12/22/11 08:35:29 PM]
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wala bulok na AMD!
0 1 [Posted by: PnoyP  | Date: 01/18/12 03:12:43 PM]
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