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AMD Unwraps 2013 Client Roadmap: 28nm Everywhere.

AMD 2013 Plans: Steamroller, Jaguar and Sea Islands

[02/02/2012 11:25 AM]
by Anton Shilov

The bulk of products that Advanced Micro Devices will be shipping in 2013 will be made using 28nm process technology, according to plans for the year 2013 that were disclosed at the company's Financial Analyst Day. AMD expects to roll-out three brand-new architectures next year: Steamroller high-performance x86, Jaguar low-power x86 and Sea Islands family of graphics chips.

All product lineups that AMD promises to release next year will be substantially different from what is available today, hence, they will not be just product shrinks or refreshes. 28nm process technology alone is likely to allow AMD to boost performance and feature-set of its chips without increasing power consumption compared to existing solutions that are made using 32nm or 40nm fabrication processes. Unfortunately, AMD did not disclose which of its 28nm chips will be made at Globalfoundries and which at Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company.

The new Steamroller x86 high-performance cores will improve performance by boosting efficiency of execution and will also include design elements from low-power architectures to reduce power consumption. While it is unknown whether code-named Kaveri accelerated processing unit will turn the page for AMD in terms of x86 performance, the company hopes that further integration of x86 and stream processing architectures will boost overall user experience.

The forthcoming Jaguar low-power x86 architecture is expected to boost performance while trimming energy consumption, which will let AMD to better compete for tablets and similar devices. Thanks to thin process technology, AMD's code-named Kabini and Temash APUs will also integrate input/output capabilities, which will greatly simplify system design.

Finally, the code-named Sea Islands graphics processors promise to bring "major GPU architecture enhancements" and skyrocket performance for both graphics and computing.

What is a bit surprising is that a high-performance FX-class x86 chip featuring Steamroller cores is absent from the 2013 plan, but the Steamroller will still become available with the code-named Kaveri accelerated processing unit. Apparently, AMD plans to continue selling its enthusiast-class FX chips code-named Vishera with Piledriver cores due to be introduced in 2012 next year as well.

Tags: AMD, Steamroller, Jaguar, Sea Islands, Temash, Kaveri, Kabini, ATI, 28nm, TSMC, Globalfoundries

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I hope all you people who have been bashing the mods for the non-existance of "Sea Islands" are feeling stupid right now.

8 2 [Posted by: veli05  | Date: 02/02/12 11:32:10 AM]
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Duh... Is this REALLY that difficult to understand?

Sea Islands is NOT the name of a graphics card it is the name of a FAMILY of graphics cards just as Southern Islands in the name of a FAMILY of graphics cards. One of the actual cards in the group of "Southern Islands" is named Tahiti. Tahiti is the proper name of the GPU card NOT Southern Islands or Sea Islands.

Geesch you'd think this was rocket science...
2 9 [Posted by: beenthere  | Date: 02/02/12 02:33:42 PM]
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I think the reference is to a claim by Charlie Demerjian of Semiaccurate that there's no such thing as Sea Islands, which I guess a few people believed.
1 0 [Posted by: ET3D  | Date: 02/03/12 11:35:58 AM]
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It's pretty stupid name after all isn't it ... Sea Islands. Not even laughable by far. It sounds like people at AMD mareketing department try to pull out all their smartness into generating "ingenious name" ... but successfully confusing their dumbed out customers and that was motivation behind all that after all.
Just like with their marketing in ""Plus enhancements"" when establishing AthlonXP/Athlon64 brand of products. Or CrossfireX prodigy that could be connected only with selected GPUs if you have selected chipset/APU (little brownie apu) nowadays. Just to boost up sales of already botom line of too little far late products.
0 0 [Posted by: OmegaHuman  | Date: 02/12/12 04:42:08 AM]
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Why give them names...just call them Disappointment 1.0, Disappointment 2.0, etc etc. Wait, sorry, BD already has the title of Disappointment 1.0.
7 5 [Posted by: AnonymousGuy  | Date: 02/02/12 12:30:14 PM]
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Yes that is True Crapdozer fell and it fell HARD and AMD Shitdriver IPC will be 15% less than llano so yeah that would Disappointment 2.0. However AMD finally starting to be competitive and that is great so that I can get my 11.6" Intel ultrabook for less money.
0 1 [Posted by: jmlxg  | Date: 02/06/12 08:54:06 PM]
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This is Great AMD 2013 is going SoC's. With GCN they will have the fastest IGP. Too Bad its only 28nm I think AMD needs a bigger advantage than that.
1 2 [Posted by: jmlxg  | Date: 02/02/12 01:36:39 PM]
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You didn't expect 22nm node by TSMC next year. Hm, maybe if they really want to forget about delivering this crippled 28nm after 1one year delay and canceling optical shrink to 32nm just to deliver it with all that delays and still troublesome. Well transition from 28nm->22nm should be smoother but no way TSMC would pay itself out, as they seem fit, by the H2 2013 to start active production of 22nm chips.

So DAMN and eNvyDio need to dust their old stone age weapons and pull it out to maximise confusion on product advancements since this generations.
Probably will find out about few bugs in HD7900 series (Tahiti line) when ""SEEEEA Islands"" came on stage. Just DAMN announced what issues HD5800 series (Cypress) had when newcomers on same 40nm node did came out. HD6800 which was lacking of second crossfire and "few" SPUs were delivering same performance when all bugs were polished out. And Filtering issue on HD5800/HD5700 series also suddenly arise at time of HD6800 release in Nov2010, like they didn't knew for it since Jun2009 when dx11 GPUs were presented at Computex.
0 1 [Posted by: OmegaHuman  | Date: 02/12/12 05:01:36 AM]
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0 1 [Posted by: OmegaHuman  | Date: 02/12/12 05:03:52 AM]
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The Green team is now green with envy.
1 2 [Posted by: xybit  | Date: 02/02/12 02:10:53 PM]
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1. Nvidia does not compete with Intel or AMD in x86 CPU space.

2. If you are babbling on about Sea Islands, AMD is going to need it much quicker than 2013 if these specs come true in April 2012:

http://lenzfire.com/2012/...price-release-date-43823/

xybit, how much is AMD paying you?
1 1 [Posted by: BestJinjo  | Date: 02/02/12 08:22:27 PM]
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If he's paid for the comment, then he's a smarter one, since you're obviously just a fanboy and doing it for free.

But thanks for the link. While I always take pre-release numbers with a grain of sand, it will be nice to see this kind of performance increase. That said, this reinforces my view that competition in the market drives prices up.
0 0 [Posted by: ET3D  | Date: 02/03/12 11:42:33 AM]
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I am not a fanboy for waiting. If HD7970's price drops to $449, it would be far more attractive. Doesn't hurt to wait another 2 months in the sea of console ports, especially now that Metro Last Light is delayed into 2013 .

The next big game on my list is Mass Effect 3. I think my HD6970 can handle it until 28nm price competition starts.

His point that NV is green with Envy makes no sense which is the only thing I pointed out.
0 1 [Posted by: BestJinjo  | Date: 02/03/12 02:12:12 PM]
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eNvyDio yet again rigged up their specs to their PAWN expectations. And if the chip become hsucessfull sucessor on failure throne like Ferminator (GF100/GF110 @40nm) was then they'll just blame who else ... TSMC.

850Mhz clock should be sustainable but let's be more realistic on doubling SP from 512->1024 and with promised advancements inside Keplers (vs. Fermi's core) i dont think they could squeeze it up in already 500mm2+ die space. Or maybe they didnt do much of computational enhancement inside Fermi core just did more sane thermal redesign? And with every node no matter HighK gate in 28nm node leakage rise so don't think we'll see much of those GTX680 just like we didnt with GTX580 and close to zilch GTX480. It's nice to know it'll be agin price intoi mazohist market of 700USD just to yenchuncwang could say that eNvyDio has the best GPU ever ... OnceMoreTime ... ooouhyeah(ugly)baybee.
0 1 [Posted by: OmegaHuman  | Date: 02/12/12 05:09:48 AM]
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As the slides/stories at AnandTech show AMD has a ton of new products in the works.

Now their challenge will be execution and specifically getting GloFo and TSMC to optimize their Fab production in a timely manner, which has been a huge problem the past few years.

Maybe the new GloFo Fab in NY will be able to pick up some of the new products so that AMD has better volume on all products? Then GloFo needs to build the new Fab in Abu Dhabi that they promised.
3 5 [Posted by: beenthere  | Date: 02/02/12 02:37:20 PM]
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Ya, they may have a ton of new products, but AMD is going to have to compete on price, likely target sub-$500 laptops in emerging markets. Hopefully they can produce a power efficient CPU that doesn't suck hard so it can actually be used for lower-end Ultrabooks. With the 28nm mobile HD7000 GPUs still some time away, NV is going to grab a ton of market share in that space with their 300+ design wins.

On the CPU front, Ivy Bridge will be 20% faster than Sandy Bridge which already mops the floor with anything AMD has on the desktop. "With the sub-$100 Pentiums performing so well, Intel's $125 Core i3-2100 easily beats more expensive Phenom II and FX models. And the $190 Core i5-2400 dominates the sub-$200 landscape without challenge, really. As such, we're almost-shockingly left without an AMD CPU to recommend at any price point."
http://www.tomshardware.c...pu-benchmark,3120-10.html

Haswell will be 20% faster than Ivy in Q2 2013 and allow people to upgrade easily to Socket 1150 since that socket is backwards compatible with DDR3-1600 and LGA1155/1156 heatsink holes.
http://lenzfire.com/2011/...86-microprocessors-35797/

Haswell specifically intended for Utrabooks, whose design is very similar to a SoC (System-on-Chip), which will have a TDP of only 15W.
http://lenzfire.com/2011/...ay-platform-in-2013-2013/

You better pray that AMD brings something competitive soon in the mid- and high-end CPU markets, or you'll be off their North American payroll in 2013 and might have to start being a viral marketer for NV or become best buds with JJ at Asus and start promoting Asus's awesome ROG boards based on Intel's 8-series chipset for Haswell

Once Kepler launches, AMD's will have lost the GPU war of 2012 (unless they drop prices $100-200), while Ivy bridge is going to nail Bulldozer for the remainder of this year as well in all both the desktop and mobile market segments. That leaves the poor folks who can't afford to buy a proper CPU or are highly against $500 iPad 3s, scrambling for life to get $400 Trinity laptops.

Onto 2013 then!!
3 2 [Posted by: BestJinjo  | Date: 02/02/12 08:30:32 PM]
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You're an idiot.
1 6 [Posted by: bereft  | Date: 02/02/12 10:15:35 PM]
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Really? So Intel isn't cleaning up AMD in all price segments on the desktop? Intel isn't cleaning up AMD in the Ultrabook space? Intel doesn't have dominance in the notebook space? And considering the lacklustre performance showing of HD7000 series thus far, it also looks like NV will have no problem recapturing both the price/performance and performance segments.

Say it isn't so?
0 2 [Posted by: BestJinjo  | Date: 02/03/12 02:15:06 PM]
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Correct Intel is not cleaning up... There I said it for you. Happy now? Glad you finally figured it out.


Did I mention AMD sold 30 MILLION APUs? That's even more than 20 Miilion...
0 5 [Posted by: beenthere  | Date: 02/04/12 12:57:12 PM]
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So AMD sells a lot APUs and will continue to sell more however I need my ultrathin in the smallest lightest form factor possible and I don't think AMD will have what I want so I will buy Intel this Year again.
0 1 [Posted by: jmlxg  | Date: 02/06/12 08:58:17 PM]
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That would be good that way AMD can get their great products out later. Now AMD's APU needs to use less watts. AMD Llano is a step in the right direction and AMD Trinity is an even bigger step however it isn't enough just yet. They need to get sub 10 watt levels on their quad core APU's and soon to be SoC's. AMD GCN is a big step in the right direction using about 40% less power for the same performance will go a long way towards this.
2 3 [Posted by: jmlxg  | Date: 02/02/12 07:13:01 PM]
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AMD isn't having any issues with competing and they are going after markets Intel can't with x86.
1 7 [Posted by: beenthere  | Date: 02/02/12 08:48:45 PM]
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Just one question, from the AMD roadmap which was in the conference, it seemed they had no high end products at all, not a single high end product, if I want to buy a really high end computer, should I buy IVB or will AMD release something they didn't reveal in their roadmap? maybe a bulldozer with some power and IPC improvements

I watched the conference to see all the new products AMD wants to release and I found that there were no high end products (extremely powerful desktop processors that will need a dedicated graphics card) trinity wasn't bad, but I wanted a processor that would enable me to play GTA V and those nice games under max settings

disappointing!
2 1 [Posted by: madooo12  | Date: 02/02/12 09:56:51 PM]
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Looks to me like high end users will have to stick with Intel. That said, AMD does plan to focus on performance with the Excavator cores, but that's further into the future.

Still, I think AMD is doing the right thing to focus on things that most people buy rather than what a minority of enthusiasts do. I'm looking forward to Trinity with some excitement. Getting decent (even if entry level) gaming ability in an inexpensive lightweight laptop with good battery life will be very nice.
1 0 [Posted by: ET3D  | Date: 02/03/12 11:48:11 AM]
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I don't know if excavator is coming out but I think I'll check out what AMD offers

but I still want to play GTA V under max settings on one or maybe two 1080P monitors
and I don't think tirinity will offer that
0 0 [Posted by: madooo12  | Date: 02/04/12 06:33:38 AM]
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No AMD won't be able to offer than on Trinity. You will need an Intel CPU and a mid-range to high-end 28nm video card in order to play GTA V on MAX settings.
0 1 [Posted by: jmlxg  | Date: 02/06/12 08:59:50 PM]
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I don't think AMD Trinity will be in 11.6" ultrathin notebooks so I think I will have to buy Intel because they do have what I want to buy.
0 1 [Posted by: jmlxg  | Date: 02/06/12 08:50:01 PM]
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It depends on how high you want to go. Vishera is the next desktop CPU which should offer ~15% gain over the FX CPUs. You can play all games under max setting with Phenom II or FX CPUs AFAIK so Vishera will be even better.

Many people mistakenly buy CPUs based only on benchmarks or specifications. At one time that had merit but as AMD and Intel go in seperate development directions, system performance is what people need to use for comparison because that's what actually matters. The link below is very telling.

http://www.overclock.net/...blind-test-at-recent-show
1 5 [Posted by: beenthere  | Date: 02/03/12 06:27:32 PM]
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OK, I think I'll see what AMD could do with vishera or maybe even wait for excavator (if it ever comes out)

this test looks quite interesting
0 0 [Posted by: madooo12  | Date: 02/04/12 06:31:04 AM]
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CPU is important for only a few tasks emulation is one of the few on this list. You also need enough CPU power so that the GPU isn't limited and I am not so sure AMDs APUs can do that with their low IPC.
0 1 [Posted by: jmlxg  | Date: 02/06/12 08:48:20 PM]
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I take it kaveri will be on the piledriver platform. Nice to see good progress being made by AMD in its APU segment.
2 0 [Posted by: SteelCity1981  | Date: 02/02/12 11:17:56 PM]
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I have to agree with you on that one.
0 1 [Posted by: jmlxg  | Date: 02/06/12 08:46:20 PM]
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What really the article has forgotten to mention that that's 28nm bulk is a commodity process, not proprietary like 32nm SOI. That's the goal of transition - to break off from the GloFo's exclusiveness completely. Forget about speed and competetion, think about cheapness.
0 0 [Posted by: Azazel  | Date: 02/03/12 12:35:53 AM]
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AMD is not breaking off from GloFo in the foreseeable future. In fact they are depending on GloFo's new NY Fab and the promised Abu Dhabi Fab still to be built. Eventually GloFo and TSMC will both be producing - in different 28nm processes.
2 5 [Posted by: beenthere  | Date: 02/03/12 06:41:49 AM]
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""AMD is not breaking off from GloFo in the foreseeable future. In fact they are depending on GloFo's new NY Fab and the promised Abu Dhabi Fab still to be built. Eventually GloFo and TSMC will both be producing - in different 28nm processes.""
AMD has some Global Foundries stock, but they do not own Global Foundries. Owning stock does not mean you or a company own that company. Owning stock is getting the right to vote, but the finally decision depends on the board which AMD is not part of. AMD is not dependent on Global Foundries in New York and Abu Dhabi. Global Foundries depends on these fabs for their business. AMD does not give a rats ass about them because the fabs is not theirs. AMD can easily go with TSMC and it is possible that AMD could go with Intel's fabs. AMD going with Intel's fabs is probably is like when pigs fly, but it is possible that AMD can do such a thing. Though it depends on the settlement that AMD and Intel had.
0 1 [Posted by: tecknurd  | Date: 02/03/12 04:02:25 PM]
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You seem upset for some reason????

No where did I say that AMD owned GloFo. I said that AMD is dependent on GloFo and they are. GloFo is also dependent on AMD for purchase of CPUs/APUs. TSMC currently produces 28nm GPUs for AMD. GloFo produces AMD 32nm CPUs/Llano APUs.

To meet AMD and Nvidia contracts for GPUs TSMC must build a new Fab in '12. They won't have capacity to deliver all of the many new AMD products coming down the pipe. In addition it's not an option from a technology perspective for TSMC as GloFo and TSMC use different Fab processes and the entire chip would need to be redesigned - taking at least a year. This is why AMD has canceled some CPUs and APUs.

AMD would never use Intel to produce chips for them after Intel's illegal acts. to try and destroy AMD
2 5 [Posted by: beenthere  | Date: 02/03/12 06:37:29 PM]
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That is True Instead they will use IBM. Face it AMD will sell like hotcakes but Intel still got my dollar only because they offer 11.6" ultrathin notebooks and much better IPC in fact it has 2x or more IPC than Trinity.
0 1 [Posted by: jmlxg  | Date: 02/06/12 09:02:29 PM]
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Yes but the gfx capabilities will still be terrible compared to the Trinity' gfx options. all the options you mentioned will be available with a AMD back-end and unless Intel increases their gfx on chip capabilities the segment will go to AMD
0 1 [Posted by: veli05  | Date: 02/27/12 12:47:47 PM]
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I see you are not good in understanding what you are reading.
I had written: AMD wants badly to break off from GloFo exclusiveness. And you have written: AMD will never do it because AMD is dependent on GloFo.
So I say it other way: AMD is tired of GloFo dependency, that's why AMD will rush onto 28nm bulk.

GloFo is also not interested very much in the AMD-only process because AMD isnot able to load the fabs upto satisfactory levels due to low volumes.
1 2 [Posted by: Azazel  | Date: 02/04/12 03:14:21 AM]
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The problem is you know what you mean or want to say but you don't know how to express it properly in English.

AMD isn't exclusively dependent on GloFo. They already use TSMC for GPUs. They can't just shift CPU production to TSMC because GloFo and TSMC use different Fab processes - as I explained above.

This means if AMD wants TSMC or some other Fab to produce CPUs/APUs for them they must redesign the CPU/APU to be produced on the process used by a different Fab than GloFo. AMD has already stated this takes a year or more per chip design to change and that is why they canceled several designs.

The problem is not with AMD "loading the GloFo Fabs" with enough products, it's GloFo's inability to sort out their new 32nm process in a timely manner. AMD has plenty of demand that GloFo has NOT been able to meet.

In fact TSMC was also way late in sorting their 28nm process meaning that AMD 7000 series GPUs were not released until Dec. 2011 instead of in Sept. as planned.
0 5 [Posted by: beenthere  | Date: 02/04/12 09:44:06 AM]
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correct me if I'm wrong but I think brazos is manufactured by TSMC,
gotta check it now
0 0 [Posted by: madooo12  | Date: 02/05/12 04:07:09 AM]
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AFAIK AMD has not switched Brazos to TSMC 28nm yet though they might eventually. We also see reports that IBM is making some chips with/for AMD which are runored to be Bazos/Trinity but we do not know what Fab or process is being used as IBM is working with GloFo at GloFo's Malta, NY facility to ramp their new Fab but could also be making chips for AMD in their Catskill, NY Fab?

http://www.theinquirer.ne...oks-tsmc-28nm-brazos-chip

http://www.xbitlabs.com/n...o_Make_Chips_for_AMD.html
0 5 [Posted by: beenthere  | Date: 02/05/12 10:57:19 AM]
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I can't wait for AMD 28nm APU I think they will compete well with Intel haswell in power consumption and utterly slaughtering it in GPU horsepower.
0 1 [Posted by: jmlxg  | Date: 02/06/12 09:04:03 PM]
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AMD will switch to 28nm for 2013 APU's.
0 1 [Posted by: jmlxg  | Date: 02/06/12 08:45:26 PM]
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AMD is planning to move pretty much everything to 28nm for in 2013.
0 1 [Posted by: beenthere  | Date: 02/07/12 08:19:53 AM]
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