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Advanced Micro Devices will commence production of its next-generation high-performance x86 central processing units for high-end desktops and servers in the third quarter of the year, a media report claims. The new chips will improve instructions per clock performance of existing chips by at least 15%, the story claims.

AMD will start volume manufacturing of code-named Vishera microprocessors with up to eight Piledriver-class x86 cores sometimes in the third quarter of 2012, according to a news-report from Donanimhaber web-site. Although the web-site specifically notes next-generation FX-series processors known as Vishera, it is highly likely that the company will initiate production of Viperfish dies in general that will power both code-named "Vishera" FX products for desktops as well as code-named "Seoul" and "Abu Dhabi" Opteron chips for servers.

AMD recently indicated that the AMD FX "Vishera" central processing units sport up to eight Piledriver (next-generation Bulldozer) x86 cores, dual-channel DDR3 memory controller and are compatible with AM3+ infrastructure as well as Scorpius platform featuring AMD 990FX core-logic sets. Although the new platform has its own code-name "Volan", some sources refer to it as "Scorpius Refresh".

It is interesting to note that the Donanimhaber indicates that instruction per clock (IPC) performance of Vishera will be 15% higher compared to that of current-generation Zambezi thanks to Piledriver micro-architecture as well as some other tweaks. Earlier it was widely believed that FX "Vishera" chips will only bring 10% speed improvement at the same clock-speed compared to the currently available chips.

As it appears from AMD's documents revealed earlier this year, starting from Piledriver micro-architecture and going forward, AMD's Fusion accelerated processing units (chips that integrate both x86 and stream processing cores) will feature "reduced", or "early" micro-architectural feature-set, whereas central processing units based on new designs will feature "full" or "late" feature-set. As a result, x86 performance of the former will be lower than x86 performance of the latter.

For example, only fully-fledged "late" Piledriver inside Viperfish model 2xh  will be able to execute numerous new instructions as well as will receive instructions per clock (IPC) increase. Even though reduced "early" Piledriver inside code-named Trinity APUs model 1xh will be more advanced than the original Bulldozer model 0xh, the x86 cores are projected to be slightly less efficient than those of the full Piledriver.

AMD did not comment on the news-story.

Tags: AMD, Vishera, Viperfish, Seoul, Scorpius, Volan, 32nm, Piledriver, Bulldozer


Comments currently: 28
Discussion started: 05/24/12 07:06:21 PM
Latest comment: 05/31/12 02:24:21 AM
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Vishera should be a nice bump in performance over FX and I expect AMD will sell a ton of them just like with Trinity. It's all good for consumers.
16 5 [Posted by: beenthere  | Date: 05/24/12 07:06:21 PM]
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3 10 [Posted by: kailrusha  | Date: 05/24/12 11:37:11 PM]
yeah, but if you fine-tune 1 year, it should be that way :D
2 1 [Posted by: Rollora  | Date: 05/25/12 12:09:36 AM]
unfortunately 10-15% isn't what i would call a nice bump, it it what to expect after 1 yeahr of working with the process, knowing and improving it. Of course there isn't too much else that can't be improved within a year, i expect the future fx processors to do more than 15% a year to keep up with intel's speed.

Do we still call them bulldozer then or do we call them vishera now? Or Piledriver? IDK that was puzzling to me back in the nehalem/bloomfield/Lynnfield days :D
3 2 [Posted by: Rollora  | Date: 05/25/12 12:08:58 AM]
Intel's brand new next generation Ivy Bridge is a whopping ~5% better than Sandy Bridge. If Vishera is ~15% faster than FX most folks would consider this a nice performance bump because it is.

For those who don't know Bulldozer was not a "disaster". It's true it was not capable of the higher frequencies originally intended due to Fab issues, but it is still a decent CPU for those looking to update from an earlier Phenom II.

Ivy Bridge also runs hot and is a poor overclocker unlike FX which overclocks and scales well. FX does everything an Intel CPU does except falsely inflate benches.

Vishera is a chip model name. Piledriver is the chip core used. You can call it whatever makes you happy...

AMD has stated it will start shipping Vishera in Q3. How much volume is available is dependent on GloFo. As with any new CPU design including IB, I would expect a gradual roll-out of the various CPU models.
14 8 [Posted by: beenthere  | Date: 05/25/12 05:44:36 AM]
Ivy Bridge is a refresh of Sandy Bridge. The IPC increase from SB is exactly inline with a refresh product. IVB is not a new generation. Haswell is the new generation of Intel CPUs slated for next year.
10 6 [Posted by: BestJinjo  | Date: 05/25/12 01:43:37 PM]
5% increase from Intel is more than a 15% increase from AMD though, since Intel's cores have such a higher IPC right now. And actually most of the benchmarks I saw were showing it to be the same if not slower than Phenom II, which is a horrible failure. It doesn't matter if Ivy can't overclock as high as FX if an overclocked FX is still slower than a stock Ivy Bridge processor.
3 2 [Posted by: daneren2005  | Date: 05/25/12 02:18:04 PM]
beenthere aka Dan_amd, You are not making any sense, as usual (or just love spreading false information like Charlie).

IVB 3570 and 3770K @ 4.5ghz with 5% IPC increase = 4.7ghz SB. At those speeds, it has already been shown by 100/100 websites that it provides superior performance overall to an 4.7-4.8ghz FX-8150.

Also, you seem to be missing power consumption, which adds up to excess demands on air conditioning in the summer and requires a higher wattage PSU (esp. when paired with a higher end discrete GPU).

Total system power consumption at load.

3570k @ 5.0ghz = 267W
3770k @ 4.8ghz = 244W
2500k @ 5.0ghz = 311W
2600k @ 5.0ghz = 313W
FX-8150 @ 4.8ghz = 518W

250W+ extra power consumption for slower performance is noticeable in real world...

Also, a lot of people now transcode HD video to their smartphone or iPad/Android tablet. QuickSync has no competitor on AMD/NV side. For that reason alone for a lot of people who use tablets/smartphones and watch movies IVB and SB has already won.

Cyberlink HD Video Conversion:

ArcSoft HD Video Conversion:

Stop already with your crazy theories that there is no real world performance between AMD and Intel CPUs. HD video conversion to mobile devices is a real world task and AMD's CPUs are nowhere on the map.

Bulldozer is a failure and Piledriver will be exactly the same. Besides, by the time it launches in volumes in Q4, Haswell is just 6 months away.

Not many PC enthusiasts would waste $ on Piledriver in Q4 when Haswell is so close and it will offer even more performance, unparalleled idle power consumption, Thunderbolt, 4K HD video encoding, Advanced Vector Extensions 2 (AVX2), Transactional Synchronization Extensions (TSX) and even faster Quick Sync 2.0.

Regardless, Piledriver won't even beat IVB, so it's a moot point. AMD's best bet is to compete on price/performance but based on Bulldozer pricing, they haven't even gotten that right.
12 5 [Posted by: BestJinjo  | Date: 05/26/12 09:31:30 AM]
QuickSync does have a competitor that is GPGPU from AMD and nVidia. The GPGPU slower performance compared to QuickSync is the handling of data from CPU to bus and then to the video card and finally back to the CPU. QuickSync is all done internally, so there is no fight of the bus and the cache that QuickSync uses is the same cache the CPU uses which means a lot less layers.

Overall I agree, the Bulldozer and then the Piledriver is just pathetic from AMD. I will not buy it. Bulldozer should have been at the 3rd generation as its first generation microarchitecture. Steamroller is the microarchitecture that beats Sandy Bridge, but that is too late. Though AMD fans like beenthere do not know any difference or a better way to say it is they do not know any better.

I am not an Intel fan nor I am an AMD fan, but AMD does not have a price to performance ratio at this time. AMD lost the price to performance ratio to Intel's Pentium and i3 processors.
2 2 [Posted by: tecknurd  | Date: 05/26/12 07:00:53 PM]
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1 10 [Posted by: kailrusha  | Date: 05/27/12 05:43:30 PM]
Didn't you say in the Trinity thread that people don't need any more CPU performance and yet now you are hyping up a 15% IPC increase on Bulldozer?

You are a walking/talking contradiction or are you employed by AMD's Viral Marketing team?
9 5 [Posted by: BestJinjo  | Date: 05/26/12 09:41:28 AM]
beenthere (AMD employee), open your eyes and stop spreading lies.

You said Trinity is good enough for most consumers...

6.3 million Diablo 3 games sold + more than 1 million given away to WOW subscribers.

Intel + GT630M Kepler are easily beating Trinity in the fastest selling PC game of all time:

Like I said IVB + a low-end discrete GPU such as GT630/640/650M or Intel CPU + some discrete AMD GPU are better for most consumers.

Trinity = specifically aimed at budget market segments (<$600) and emerging markets (3rd world countries). Trinity is excellent for those markets, but stop overhyping it as a mainstream runaway success product. It's aimed directly at capturing market share from low-income households.
10 5 [Posted by: BestJinjo  | Date: 05/26/12 10:05:21 AM]
You 100% right! amd are bunch of losers, specialists in area of rumors, power-point presentations and so bullshits!
1 3 [Posted by: ncore  | Date: 05/27/12 05:52:55 AM]
1. GT630M is not a Kepler.
2. It was clocked to 800MHz, which is the considerably faster one of the two variants you can get 630M in (likely 28nm).
3. It alone has TDP rating of 33W, how much does the entire APU Trinity have? 35W. Thus it would be a real shame if Trinity would be the better performer.
4. I would not call GT630M a low-end gpu in a laptop, see above (TDP).

A pitty Anandtech did not test power consuption... Which solution provides longer battery life.
2 0 [Posted by: ifkopifko  | Date: 05/28/12 02:01:31 AM]
i7 3720 + 630m is at most %20 faster, which i say not bad for Trinity. The enjoyable FPS resolution is lower than 1600x900 with med/low settings. Coupling Trinity with 7xxx for crossfire brings you another era, you easily exceed performance of 630m based i7. With a cheaper notebook it is a good thing.

For all who were expecting Bulldozer to be on par on everyting with SB had wrong point of view. In reality it was expected to be at most %20 faster than Phenom II on some areas. Thx to AMD's confusing commercials and advertising, people was in hope of something comparable to i7 990x. If you were expecting it to be on par with i5 at most, then you are in a fine path. Yet it is faster enough than i5 on some areas too. If you count Linux as a competitive platform too, than 8150 is doing somewhat great job thx to 3.4 kernel and GCC 4.7 guys.

The downpart is, 8150 or 8120 is too expensive to compete with i5, on windows platform. Since majorty of PC users are Winboys, and falling behind from i5 in many Windows programs, you can call Bulldozer Fx 81xx a fail. Its just up to your expectation. If you are wiling to pay mor or less same for fx on some areas where it is better than 2500k, then it is k for you. If you decide that you need a better power supply, you need what i5 offers , than fx is no good for you.

So a %9-12 multi-threaded multicore improvement over FX for desktop Trinity seems fine. If you are expecting it to wipe i5 on where Intel is strong, in other words to be faster than SB in every aspect, you are in a very wrong path.
0 1 [Posted by: kukreknecmi  | Date: 05/31/12 02:24:21 AM]

You should probably fix that image and replace max number of cores...
10 -> 8
If Zambezi uses IOMMU v1 it is also best to assume Vishera uses IOMMU v1 or v2
3 1 [Posted by: seronx  | Date: 05/24/12 07:41:55 PM]

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3 8 [Posted by: Azazel  | Date: 05/24/12 07:57:09 PM]
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Volume production, Volume shipment in Q4.
0 0 [Posted by: Memristor  | Date: 05/25/12 06:07:21 AM]

if did a 12 core for highend apu line and then 8 core and then six for low end and ran at each atleast 2.4ghz as well as gpu side had a 800 stream core at 700mhz that would a real deal

think FX pc line should have gamer level cpu should a 12 or 16 core cpu with a 5ghz and they could price it higher like they do with there video card and do a limited run on it bet that would give intel a run for there cpu to lol..
0 2 [Posted by: superqborg  | Date: 05/25/12 01:48:53 AM]

Maybe they'll finally be able to compete with an i7 920.
3 3 [Posted by: AnonymousGuy  | Date: 05/25/12 02:41:01 AM]
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At stock speeds, Core i7 870 is still faster than FX-8150 overall.

That means an i7 920 @ 4.0-4.2ghz will still beat any AMD CPU.

Look at Arma II (a pretty CPU demanding game). i7 920 @ 4.0ghz plows FX-8150 @ 4.8ghz by 28%:

i5 3570 @ 5.0ghz is 50% faster than FX8150 @ 4.8ghz in Arma II!

In Shogun 2, the delta would grow to almost 2x faster.

AMD's CPUs for us gamers are so outclassed nowadays, it's just sad.

Who here spends $400-500 on GTX670/680/HD7970 and then pairs it with a dog slow CPU that consumes 250W power than an i5 3570 @ 5.0ghz?
10 5 [Posted by: BestJinjo  | Date: 05/26/12 09:58:22 AM]

Reviews of Trinity APUs show ~+25% cpu gains with +50% frequency advantage over Llano APUs, that means 10-15% cpu gains for Vishera is of illusion, almost for sure.
6 8 [Posted by: Azazel  | Date: 05/25/12 11:52:09 AM]

How do you know that the "Model 20h" equals Vishera? AFAIK these model 20h chips are referring to the canceled Komodo-chips / Viperfish die. These were planned with 5 modules. But Vishera won't get 5 modules, it is just an Orochi Rev.C chip - not a Viperfish.


Abu Dhabi (“Orochi”-Rev C) support is mandatory

(Abu Dhabi is the Interlagos successor, 2 Orochi dies in 1 package)
3 0 [Posted by: Bingle  | Date: 05/25/12 01:49:26 PM]
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20h to 2Fh
Vishera retains all the modifications planned for Komodo.
Integrated PCI-E 3.0
Integrated Northbridge
DDR3 Quad-channel
FM2 Socket

Instead they dropped the Viperfish die instead fixed/optimized/restructured Orochi which lead to a faster time to market. The same pdf you have states Abu Dahbi will appear June as in it is already in production.

Viperfish has a planned return with Steamroller or Excavator on the elusive 28-nm SHP lithography. Which is being touted secretly in other pdfs at being superior than 22-nm (Intel)Bulk FinFET.
2 0 [Posted by: seronx  | Date: 05/28/12 01:17:25 AM]

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2 5 [Posted by: Blackcode  | Date: 05/26/12 08:49:59 AM]
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where this math came from? perhaps from amds wet dreams
and in amd should be better to learn the key phrase: "ENGINEERING SAMPLE & REAL TESTS"!!!
1 3 [Posted by: ncore  | Date: 05/27/12 05:58:25 AM]
You are illiterate.,do you know what these words mean in English? "expectations based on APU Trinity A10-4600m".
1 2 [Posted by: Blackcode  | Date: 05/27/12 09:04:52 AM]

I just wish to see some strong CPU, intel is playing alone now and this has a great impact in both prices and performance (they said IB will be 60% faster than SB, but it is 5-10% faster).

I don't know what my next system will sport (it felt pretty awkward however that my current Phenom II x6 outperform FX 8150 in all the fields I'm interesting for. No I don't care about encryption speed)
but I want AMD to do well, even if my next system have an intel cpu if AMD is doing good this can guaranty a good intel cpu in normal price.
2 0 [Posted by: nitro912gr  | Date: 05/27/12 08:17:11 AM]


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