Intel Corp. said that despite of the recent rumours, it will continue to produce and sell interchangeable microprocessors in land grid array packaging and will not transit to soldered chips in ball grid array (BGA) only in the foreseeable future. At the same time, Intel did not comment on longer-term future, which may easily indicate that CPU sockets are going away in case of certain market segments.
“Intel remains committed to the growing desktop enthusiast and channel markets, and will continue to offer socketed parts in the LGA package for the foreseeable future for our customers and the Enthusiast DIY market. However, Intel cannot comment on specific long-term product roadmap plans at this time, but will disclose more details later per our normal communication process,” said Daniel Snyder, a spokesman for Intel, in a conversation with Maximum PC magazine.
Intel did not exactly specify what does “foreseeable future” means. Moreover, it is obvious that Intel will continue developing server-class processors in LGA packaging, which automatically means that the company will continue to offer high-end desktop platforms with CPU sockets. In the meantime, at least in case of the low-end and/or low-power platforms, it makes sense to sell microprocessors with mainboards. For example, both Intel and its arch-rival AMD already sell low-cost/low-power Atom-series and Fusion E-series products in BGA package that are soldered directly to mainboards.
Recently it was reported that the code-named Haswell microprocessors may be the last mainstream desktop chips in LGA packaging, which enables easy switch of CPUs on mainboards. Starting from Broadwell chips, which are due in 2014, all mainstream desktop processors will be available in BGA packaging only, which means that they will have to be soldered to mainboards, something that can be done in relatively sophisticated manufacturing facilities.
The BGA MCMs [multi-chip modules] should provide advantages to makers of high-performance tablets, ultra-thin notebooks as well as all-in-one desktops as ball grid array packaging ensure small footprint. However, when it comes to fully-fledged desktops, BGA means that system makers will have to keep a large amount of different mainboards with various features and dissimilar microprocessors in order to provide the right choices for their clients. Such stockpiling increases business risks to smaller makers and decreases abilities to differentiate for mainboard makers.
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I guess this puts an end to Intel bashers and linuxlowdown's doctrine.
I bet he would not like this article.
"Intel remains committed to the growing desktop enthusiast and channel markets, and will continue to offer socketed parts in the LGA package for the foreseeable future for our customers and the Enthusiast DIY market.
Moreover, it is obvious that Intel will continue developing server-class processors in LGA packaging, which automatically means that the company will continue to offer high-end desktop platforms with CPU sockets.
In the meantime, at least in case of the low-end and/or low-power platforms, it makes sense to sell microprocessors with mainboards." <-- This makes perfect sense and is exactly what i had in mind.
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Posted by: Avon4Balls
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Date: 12/06/12 04:12:12 AM]
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Right Avon. This is Intel spin. This is only after reputable independent (of Intel money) tech sites gave Intel bad press and after online rioting by Intel enthusiasts in forums. All the while you held your dick, smiled and said that it was a good thing that all Intel CPUs were now soldered. Don't backpedal troll. You are as true blue Intel as they come. You think anything they do is right. Well right for a shareholder like you, but not right for the consumers.
PS. You have nothing in mind. Your thoughts are fed by the Intel marketing department.
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Posted by: linuxlowdown
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Date: 12/06/12 04:41:49 AM]
LOL You are pathetic.
What has AMD done lately that consumers has benefited from it? You got that right "nothing at all" Lack of being competitive and so on...
I would not engage with this offensive posts of yours. You clearly have been fed with the right tools for AMD propaganda. Once again you were WRONG and this article proves it.
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Posted by: Avon4Balls
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Date: 12/06/12 05:10:03 AM]
No no no. The Intel spin doctors are in town and are going into damage control mode. But you gulp it down like a fish drunk on seawater.
Addit: I see your troll friend 1234 is on the loose again - using up all his 8 aliases to down vote anything that upsets the dear Intel leader. He's been muzzled but still ever present.
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Posted by: linuxlowdown
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Date: 12/06/12 05:27:33 AM]
You have absolutely nothing "ZERO" to say about this article.
Once again your wet dreams of children that Intel would abandon enthusiasts has not been realized.
Intel would not do any favors for AMD just because they cannot compete.
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Posted by: Avon4Balls
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Date: 12/06/12 06:23:59 AM]
Did you just accuse him of being a pedophile or did I read wrong what you wrote?
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Posted by: fanboyslayer
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Date: 12/06/12 06:48:48 AM]
I'd be more worried about a guy who has balls in his name. He should really be using a AMD FX-8350 with Piledriver core because it's faster than Intel's best when it comes to disk cryptography. But usually these guys are dumb and clumsy to start with and are eventually caught. He certainly hasn't done a good job to disguise the fact that he's a cash for comments worker. I wish he would see the light and visit his local trash depot for a real job.
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Posted by: linuxlowdown
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Date: 12/06/12 07:04:36 AM]
No, not really. Its a line that i took from OBR's website which i found it was funny. LOL
I think its clear enough what i said.
Your friend or aliases of linuxlowdown's accounts are very offensive in their comments. I am surprised as to why they don't take care of him. Well i know why but thats besides the point.
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Posted by: Avon4Balls
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Date: 12/06/12 08:36:07 AM]
No still not clear what your "LOL" is. Accusing others of being pedophiles is clearly a step over the line. Watch out Avon!
And don't forget - you're the one gaming the site because you have no other support but your multiple aliases for your extreme pro Intel point of view.
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Posted by: linuxlowdown
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Date: 12/06/12 05:48:05 PM]
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Intel will do whatever they want, as long as it doesn't destroy their profits. Intel is more concerned about the reaction from Taiwan OEMs than the <5% of enthusiasts. If they were to suddenly pull out of LGA sockets, there would be retaliation from OEMs. This would hurt Intel and benefit AMD. Intel will probably drip feed the OEMs with LGAs so they can prepare to wind down their motherboard businesses whilst minimizing damage to relationships. Enthusiast market is no longer a priority for Intel. That's business. That's the commoditization of PCs.
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Posted by: fanboyslayer
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Date: 12/06/12 05:43:20 AM]
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Don't kid yourself fanboys. Intel doesn't care about you. It cares about the smell of money. Wake up.
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Posted by: linuxlowdown
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Date: 12/06/12 05:55:50 AM]
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My how things change once AMD makes a public statement that they will continue supplying socket CPUs...
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Posted by: beenthere
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Date: 12/06/12 09:32:32 AM]
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Yes, Intel spin - trying to quell the enthusiast Intel community riot and silence critical tech analysis. I just wonder how they're going to handle the relationship with Taiwan OEMs from now on. Chinese do business differently from Americans. They hold grudges and have long memories.
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Posted by: linuxlowdown
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Date: 12/06/12 06:03:02 PM]
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Why all the AMD and Intel hate? I mean seriously what has any of these companies ever done personally to you that people will come on here and bash them? I don't get it. I like both AMD and Intel i have no hate for either of them because none of them have done anything personally to me to hate them. Whats pathetic is how people can hate something soo much that has never actually done anything to them personally.
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Posted by: SteelCity1981
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Date: 12/06/12 09:46:16 AM]
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You are correct, but i am disgusted of people that put their fanboynism above the lack of competition and health of the market that would benefit us consumers.
Blindly supporting a company which cannot compete or does not have the cash to complete their projects on time is plain stupid.
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Posted by: Avon4Balls
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Date: 12/06/12 09:54:15 AM]
Well it's a tough market now. I mean the economy isn't what it used to be and in order to survive AMD has to do everything they can to keep themselves afloat until the market picks back up again. Either that or go bankrupt and no one wants to go back to those days where one company dominates the market and can set any price they want to. AMD never had the cash flow Intel had. Intel can lay an egg for 2 years and still be fine as we saw with the pentuim 4 when AMD surrpassed them for 2 years in performance, until the Core 2 Duo. That and I mean people aren't buying computers like they used to anymore, because of how the economy has affected the consumors wallets. Not to mention computers are soo fast now even computers from 5 or 6 years ago are fine for most avg computer users daily needs. I mean many avg daily computer users couldn't tell the diff in a 6 year old Core 2 Duo and a Core i5 Ivy Bridge for what they do on a daily baises. So the combination of both has hurt the computer industry over the past few years. Even intel has been hit by the slowing market, but the diff is they can afford to weather out the storm much longer then AMD can because of the stock piles of money that they as a company were able to garner over the course of a 40 year peroid in which AMD doesn't have that luxury.
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Posted by: SteelCity1981
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Date: 12/06/12 12:12:57 PM]
FYI, AMD had a processor, the K7, since 1999 that perform better than Pentium II all the way to Pentium 4. That was just one processor mircoarchitecture. The next processor mircoarchitecture the K8 took it further. The K8 has some claws, so it took some time for Core 2 Duo to take the performance crown from AMD. AMD had the performance crown for at least 8 years.
The computer industry is stagnant because of companies only are seeing the tip of the iceberg. This tip of the iceberg is companies that sees the numbers. They do not want to stick their head in the water to get idea what the industry is really is heading. This means companies needs to reach out to the community. The companies that did that are doing great while others that are not are doing poorly.
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Posted by: tecknurd
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Date: 12/06/12 02:48:35 PM]
Actaully no it didn't. While early K7's based on the Slot A platform beat out early PIII's based on the Katmai slot A platforms the later PIII's Coppermine based on the socket 370 platform beat out the Slot A K7 athlons and performed neck and neck with AMD's Socket A Athlon Thunderbirds. When the The PIII Tualatin came out it out performed The Athlon Thunderbird by a decent margin. It Was not until the P4 Willamette that was based on the Socket 423 platform that AMD was able to surpass it with the K7 Athlon XP based on the Palomino platform. But Intel fired back with the P4 Northwood platform that out performed the Thoroughbred and even the last K7 Barton Athlon XP based on the Socket A platform. AMD didn't outperform Intel again until the AMD K8 Sledgehammer based on the Socket 754 platform. So as you can see AMD did not hav an 8 year reign in performance over intel.
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Posted by: SteelCity1981
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Date: 12/06/12 09:55:41 PM]
Perfect analysis SteelCity1981. But you are a bit naive to the CPU politics coming from certain individuals. Wherever there is money (ie Intel investors), there is politics.
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Posted by: linuxlowdown
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Date: 12/06/12 06:24:46 PM]
Blindly supporting a company which cannot compete or does not have the cash to complete their projects on time is plain stupid.
Or you stick with a certain company as a matter of principle regardless of who makes a faster chip or not. Both the companies make working cpus, AMD's fit my needs and wallet closer than intel does, this among other things is why I buy AMD
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Posted by: veli05
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Date: 12/06/12 12:14:08 PM]
@Avon - stop taking the high moral ground. You're an Intel shareholder and head kicker here to promote Intel. You're not interested in tech, just your favourite pin-up company's image and profit margin. You'll stop at nothing to denigrate AMD. You're more than a dumb fanboy. You're on a campaign. One can only guess that you're being paid for it, such is the proliferation of your comments - long before I came to this site.
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Posted by: linuxlowdown
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Date: 12/06/12 06:05:41 PM]
I think the hate for Intel was what Intel did in the past. Intel did unethical business tactics to skew sales that they were doing great even though their processors at the time just suck compared to AMD's.
I am not sure why people hate AMD. Probably because AMD haters see AMD as liars or AMD is all talk and no action.
There is always going to be Intel fans beating down on AMD fans. Also there is always going to be AMD fans beating down on Intel fans. Those people need to grow up and understand that Intel and AMD are equally excellent CPU manufactures. At this time AMD is in the rut and fear of price competition will be history. I am rooting for AMD to get their act together to compete at the same level as Intel. It can happen again, but only if AMD wants to. I have both Intel and AMD systems, so I am not technically a fan.
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Posted by: tecknurd
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Date: 12/06/12 02:25:59 PM]
What makes me pissed technurd is that Avon and now 789 (formerly jmlgx) actually wish AMD were dead gone. Their constant themes of denigrating AMD shallowly every post without any analysis smells rotten of a paid campaign. I have lived in the world long enough to know these things go on. Product review sites get rigged all the time by people paid to write favourable reviews. Usually it's about $5 a review. If Avon and 789 were kicked, then the tone of these forums would change.
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Posted by: linuxlowdown
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Date: 12/06/12 06:21:26 PM]
Keep beating that drum "linuxlowdown".
When you have "Nothing" to say about the article posted here you turn to this laughable comments that i am getting paid to post comments here or that i am a shareholder.
You are really a paid shill from AMD or your brain is not bigger than a 6 years old child.
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Posted by: Avon4Balls
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Date: 12/06/12 07:06:52 PM]
The "drum" beating is in rhythm to your trolling. I will always counter your BS, wherever and whenever you post it. I'll call you how I see you. A paid up troll (or the equivalent). What I had to say here was that you had stated in a previous post it was a good thing that CPUs were soldered and that enthusiasts could go jump. Then you hypocritically turn around 180 degrees and tell me it's now a good thing that they're not soldered. Make up your mind!! Well you can't in fact because you defecate out whatever Intel feeds your gob. There's not much going on up stairs. I always believed that LGA is good. It supports the motherboard industry in Taiwan, rather than concerntrating profits at Intel HQ. But I wouldn't take Intel spin as word. We'll have to see what they really do.
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Posted by: linuxlowdown
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Date: 12/06/12 10:06:55 PM]
I mostly agree with your post except they are really not equally excellent CPU manufacturers. Intel clearly makes the superior CPU while AMD makes the superior GPU. I am more of an Intel guy but I would really like to see AMD become more competitive in the CPU department. As I would like to see Intel do better on GPU's. The Biggest problem for AMD has been that their company has been run like shit. They can't seem to stop making poor business decisions. They need to clean house and listen to their engineers instead of the suits that know nothing about the technology making all the decisions. A good example of this is Nvidia should not be making more money than AMD but yet they seem to always be doing better financially than Nvidia. It's not like Nvidia is making a better product. And AMD should have already been making ARM processors starting several years ago. And then since they want to make absolutely sure that they keep fucking things up, they decided to make cuts in the engineering and development department.
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Posted by: actionjksn
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Date: 12/18/12 12:56:10 PM]
I mostly agree with your post except they are really not equally excellent CPU manufacturers. Intel clearly makes the superior CPU while AMD makes the superior GPU. I am more of an Intel guy but I would really like to see AMD become more competitive in the CPU department. As I would like to see Intel do better on GPU's. The Biggest problem for AMD has been that their company has been run like shit. They can't seem to stop making poor business decisions. They need to clean house and listen to their engineers instead of the suits that know nothing about the technology making all the decisions. A good example of this is Nvidia should not be making more money than AMD but yet they seem to always be doing better financially than Nvidia. It's not like Nvidia is making a better product. And AMD should have already been making ARM processors starting several years ago
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Posted by: actionjksn
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Date: 12/18/12 08:57:13 PM]
Yeah these fanboys are fucked up.
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Date: 12/18/12 09:35:03 AM]
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Take a look at
http://www.xbitlabs.com/n...Thermal_Design_Power.html, people. Notice anything interesting there?
For markets that have traditionally utilised system on chip (SoC) designs (e.g. Atom), this is nothing new.
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Date: 12/06/12 10:08:03 AM]
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>Intel to Support CPU Sockets for Foreseeable Future
So you can pay a premium price now, for being able to upgrade to a premium priced CPU then.
The Personal Computer as the go-to-platform for price sensible users is dead.
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Its dead because AMD has ruined the market.
Though you still have the AMD propaganda on multiple websites. It goes something like this: The enthusiasts market is shrinking <-- its shrinking because of AMD's inability to compete and the prices for Intel high performance CPU's are very high and "not because they don't want a high performance personal computer". OR x86 is dead "dying off" <-- we all know why they say this, because AMD is pretty much done for and can no longer invest or has the money to further the capabilities of x86. Or mainstream and entry level is where the money is <-- In fact they have been saying this from last year but the shares says otherwise. We sold millions of APU's <-- again its nowhere to be seen on the shares. The latest rise of shares was due to the fact that AMD has sold the building and they lowered the amount of money that they pay to GF for development. Should i go on? There is more.
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Posted by: Avon4Balls
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Date: 12/07/12 01:49:23 AM]
Are you reading from your Intel "fact" sheet again? Think for yourself for a change.
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Intel Corp. said that despite of the recent rumours, it will continue to produce and sell interchangeable microprocessors in land grid array packaging and will not transit to soldered chips in ball grid array (BGA) only in the foreseeable future. At the same time, Intel did not comment on longer-term future, which may easily indicate that CPU sockets are going away in case of certain market segments.
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