Although Intel Corp. is on track to introduce its next-generation Core i-series “Haswell” microprocessors for desktops and notebooks in June, the company will limit the amount of microprocessors and mainboards on the market because of the recently transpired glitch with USB 3.0 before it fixes the issue. A financial analyst believes that delay of strong volume ramp of Haswell will further negatively impact PC market.
“Haswell for desktop (Denlow platform) looks set to launch with cautious volume in June using the faulty C1 stepping, and then to see a stronger ramp once the glitch is worked out. Still, this is more than we had hoped for in June. Caution in Ivy Bridge units still likely to constrain gross margin for Intel and contacts point to August as the more significant launch period,” said JoAnne Feeney, an analyst with Longbow Research, in a note to clients, reports Tech Trader Daily.
Earlier this month it was reported that Intel began to inform its partners that when a PC system with Core i-series “Haswell” and 8-series chipset inside wakes from S3 sleep mode, it experiences issues with devices connected through USB 3.0. Intel seemingly defines the issue only as a nuisance for end users, as there would be no serious unpleasant consequences, such as data loss. A quick fix for the problem, which may result in blank PDF pages or failure to resume playback, is already known: a restart of applications. In order to solve the issues with USB 3.0, a new chipset revision is required.
LGA1150 socket for Intel Core i-series 4000-family "Haswell" microprocessors. Image by Lab51.ro web-site.
At present it is completely unclear when Intel intends to release a new revision of its 8-series chipsets with corrected USB 3.0 operations. Given the fact that Intel reportedly wants to limit the amount of platforms with potential glitches and slows down the volume ramp up of the Core i-series 4000-family chips, the company needs to release the new chipset revision rather sooner than later. However, even if Intel already has the new chipset revision at hands, it must test and validate it and only then put it to mass production. In theory, Intel’s partners should be able to start shipping mainboards powered by the new core-logic sets towards the end of summer.
“Look for a slow Haswell ramp as last year’s inventory build, following a surprisingly weak 2H, leads the industry to stick with the safer Ivy Bridge platform (socket compatible with Sandy Bridge, unlike Haswell) and for Haswell to make up less than 50% of desktop CPU shipments even in Q4 2013,” added Ms. Feeney.
Tags: Intel, Core, Haswell, USB, Denlow, Business
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so they rather ship these faulty c1 stepping chips, then to just delay haswells launch and find a solution. I mean it's not like AMD is in a position to overtake intel for the performance crown anytime soon, so there is no pressure there. it would be nice if intel sold these faulty c1 stepping chips at a reduce price because of this problem it has, then again this is intel we are talking about they don't reduce prices on hardly anything.
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Posted by: SteelCity1981
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Date: 03/14/13 02:19:39 AM]
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Wishful wet dreams. You'd want thm at reduced price and they even further delayed their crappy platform. Well you're the one ppb part of problem itself. You want overpriced items and you want them hot. It's unhealthy for the rest of us that wish mobster intel would keep their prices at fair levels. Not just selling even scrap chips, REAL SALVAGED SCRAP that shoulnt even be put onto ""emerging markets"" at unfair prices just because fanboys like you said well it's good enough.
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Posted by: OmegaHuman
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Date: 04/08/13 01:29:14 AM]
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I will happily purchase the "faulty" chip. I rarely use the USB .
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Posted by: Alschifano
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Date: 03/14/13 05:45:44 AM]
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I'd rather purchase a flawless Richland APU. Not only do you get working USB 3.0 but you get 4 x better graphics to go with it
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Posted by: linuxlowdown
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Date: 03/14/13 07:36:15 AM]
And 2-3 times worse CPU, of course.
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Posted by: cosminmcm
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Date: 03/14/13 08:19:42 AM]
No, about 0.15 - 0.35 times inferior, smartypants. You can do more with 4x graphics lead in an APU.
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Posted by: linuxlowdown
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Date: 03/14/13 08:18:13 PM]
You can do what? See more movies? Richland is the same architecture like Trinity, with a little frequency boost, at a maximum 10% faster than the current A10. No chance of playing games at full HD resolution with high details. With only 4 so-caller cores, it has no chance against an 8 threaded Haswell i7 (which will get at least 10-15% performance bump). And the graphics core of i7 gest at least a 2 times boost in the desktop form (without integrated memory). The difference in graphics will shrink and Richland will not even have 2 times the graphics power. In CPU it will be 2-3 times slower at least, just like Trinity is 2-3 times slower than i7 Ivy.
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Posted by: cosminmcm
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Date: 03/14/13 11:15:55 PM]
Of course you can't play games at full detail and resolution. C'mon! This is an APU, not a discreet graphics card. But most games will be playable, except the most demanding. The same cannot be said of Intel's HD4000 (Haswell is not out for another few months). It will be only fair to compare Haswell to Kabini/Kaveri @28nm when it comes out Q4, if you really want to know how far (or close) behind Intel engineers be.
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Posted by: linuxlowdown
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Date: 03/15/13 04:45:50 AM]
The article is about Haswell, which will only be high end at first (i5 and i7). Trinity is at most two times faster than Ivy in graphics (and that is in few cases), and Richland will only be a little faster. Your first comment was about Richland and Haswell, but you are changing the subject. You compared Haswell to Richland, and there is no question about which is faster. If you are gaming on integrated graphics on a low resolution monitor on low details, that is no gaming, that is a joke.
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Posted by: cosminmcm
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Date: 03/15/13 05:49:38 AM]
I can't be bothered arguing any more points with you. I'll just let others do the talking and refer you to this
http://seekingalpha.com/a...ntel-s-haswell-a-has-been
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Posted by: linuxlowdown
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Date: 03/15/13 06:13:53 AM]
You have no logic, you are throwing numbers out of the blue (like that 4 times better graphics), mixing thing up (Kabini\Kaveri\Richland and that link about mobile processors written by a nobody and which proves nothing about what you said), but logic has never been a strength of a smartypants AMD fanboy.
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Posted by: cosminmcm
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Date: 03/15/13 06:33:34 AM]
"2-3 times worse CPU, of course" - there's pulling some figures out of your ass.
AMD CPUs are not 300% worse in performance. You wish Intel fanboy.
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Posted by: linuxlowdown
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Date: 03/15/13 03:45:42 PM]
Not any AMD cpu, we were talking about Richland which is an APU with 4 half cores. An i7 is faster than an 8 half cores Vishera (which has L3 cache that the APU lacks) and that makes it 2-3 times faster than an A10 APU (Richaland/Trinity, same shit). Haswell will be even faster.
But you are changing the subject as always, because you lack arguments. Now go back and play games on your AMD integrated graphics at insane details, you deserve it.
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Posted by: cosminmcm
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Date: 03/16/13 12:25:21 AM]
You still have no supporting evidence for your statements troll. You stated that intel CPU is 300% faster. Where are the benchmarks for Richland vs Haswell? You can't just bully to push your version of the truth and I'm no longer going to take part in this discussion. Final.
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Posted by: linuxlowdown
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Date: 03/16/13 12:43:33 AM]
Richland is Trinity with little higher frequency, in desktop or in mobile:
http://www.fudzilla.com/h...l-scheduled-for-june-2013
http://techreport.com/new...-35w-richland-mobile-apus
http://www.pcper.com/revi...MD-Releases-New-A10-5750M
Haswell is the next generation which is supposed to bring 10-15% better performance than Ivy, everybody agrees on that (we are talking about Anand, Kanter and not some unknown journalist or Charlie). As for the benchmarks, you have them right here on xbit:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/a...20-6300-4300_7.html#sect0
There you go, an Ivy i7 is around 2 times faster than a 4 half-cores Piledriver (that APU is comparable to the 4300/4170), add to that the improvements of Haswell and there you go (that is without taking into consideration power consumption, pcie 3.0 etc).
There is no way you could recommend an AMD APU against a top of the line Haswell, because that is what will be launched in june (some weak AMD apus comparable to an i3 and the cream of the crop Haswell).
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Posted by: cosminmcm
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Date: 03/16/13 01:09:42 AM]
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It' likely Intel has alredy stopped manufacturing the defective chipsets. It will probably be able to get rid of its inventory of defective chipsets by stuffing them into USB 2.0-only pre-builts from Dell, HP, Acer and the like.
If I was in the market for Haswell, I would certainly wait for the fixed chipset, as I did when I waited for the revised B2 chipset before buying my current i5-2500k system.
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Posted by: BernardP
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Date: 03/14/13 08:29:56 AM]
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Intel should stuff the faulty ones in laptops and give them away to Africa.
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Posted by: linuxlowdown
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Date: 03/14/13 08:33:47 PM]
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Why would this not be a problem on Laptop/Ultrabook Motherboards too?
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Posted by: HayekKeynesian
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Date: 03/14/13 10:26:12 AM]
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This is another Intel desperation move that will bite them in the arse. People like to blast AMD but here Intel is openingly selling a defective CPU product. People who buy these defective CPUs deserve exactly what they don't get.
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Posted by: beenthere
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Date: 03/15/13 11:50:01 PM]
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The CPU is fine, it's the chipset that has the problems. It says that in the article, right?
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Posted by: cosminmcm
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Date: 03/16/13 12:27:01 AM]
Try to read. Yes they have defective CHIPSET not a CPU it's a bit subtle difference isnt it :giggle:
And of course intel can do that when there no AMD on sight to present it's offer. And for most of things for people who decide about what crap to buy it's easier to be ignorant as a fatty mobster bribes you to buy its crap.
So you trying to deceive us when say intel deliberately selling defective cpu (or if you correct that to product). Proper way to say is that PEOPLE KNOWINGLY BUY DEFECTIVE PRODUCTS AND DONT CARE.
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Posted by: OmegaHuman
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Date: 04/08/13 01:38:51 AM]
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If Intel would stop changing sockets every 2 weeks I'd buy haswell and pair it with an older generation (cougar point) chipset.
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Posted by: phatboye
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Date: 03/16/13 12:20:26 AM]
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Well, welcome to the intels courtyard noob. I have a great news for you. Intel think of you also and guess what they'll sell you integrated solution so you dont need waste your time to think on any socket at all. I bet you're definitely overwhelmed from excitement that even "intel thinks of you" :rofl:
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Posted by: OmegaHuman
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Date: 04/08/13 01:41:05 AM]
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So far I got not complaints. The 15 mbs speed boost i got from 3.0 was nice but so is a consistent 35mbs from 2.0 A Bios update should fix majority of the compatibility issues. they've been pushing them out consistently since the boards where released.
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Posted by: zagarth
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Date: 03/25/13 12:30:02 AM]
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I think it's kinda funny that almost this entire discussion is so irrevocably focused on "AMD VS. Intel". They both make some good products and they both have their failures. But for the most part they aren't even competing in the same markets. AMDs line of processors perform with inferiority to Intels top end chips when it comes to common applications. AMD's chips are appropriately priced to compensate for this. Intel cover a broader range of uses. AMD chips are created for Niche purposes, heavily threaded programs etc. Intel excels at single threaded performance. Now these chips are used for much more than just gaming, but using gaming as an example: More and more game engines are taking advantage of multiple cores, be they FPUs or Integer Units. So are a lot of apps and programs. The next gen of consoles, specifically the ps4 will have 8 cores to work with. This means developers will start making use of this. That will translate to PC gaming. Besides that. There are countless examples of this emerging in many more markets than gaming. I really hope Intel sorts out its HT because as it stands, 4 FPU's plus 4 IU's are more beneficial than a Hyper-threaded Quad-core when it comes to heavily threaded apps/programs. I personally will stick with intel a little longer, because so far, they still outperform AMD in the upper end of the market, but if Haswell disappoints I'll be the first one to switch to the "other side". I've always been a sucker for value for money rather than epeen potential. If anyone needs sources, let me know. I just haven't included them due to this being more of a drunken, over-tired rant than an actual counter-argument.
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