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Leaked slides presumably from an Intel Corp.’s document reveal that the world’s largest chipmaker is preparing a rather revolutionary update to its high-end desktop (HEDT) platform next year with the introduction of code-named Haswell-E product. Not only the new high-end client chips will finally see more physical cores, but they will also gain a number of other improvements.

The next year’s enthusiast desktop platform will pack a number of firsts and will naturally bring a significant performance boost over regular desktop platforms as well as over existing and incoming HEDT solutions based on code-named Ivy Bridge-E processor. Intel Core i7 “Haswell-E” central processing units will pack six or eight x86 cores with Haswell micro-architecture and Hyper-Threading technology, 20MB of L3 cache, quad-channel DDR4 memory controller (2133MHz maximum clock-speed, up to one DIMM per channel) as well as Turbo Boost 2 technology, reports VR-Zone web-site, which published the slides from Intel’s roadmap. The processors will traditionally have 40 integrated PCI Express 3.0 lanes, but will lack built-in graphics adapter, which is logical.

The forthcoming enthusiast-class desktop platform will rely on code-named Wellsburg chipset and will use all-new LGA2011-3 socket. Interestingly, the new microprocessors will have up to 140W thermal design power, which points to high clock-rate in addition to high core-count. Besides, traditionally Intel will unlock all multipliers on HEDT platform to allow maximum level of customization.

Based on Intel’s expectations, the new eight-core Core i7 “Haswell-E” will bring 55% performance improvement over quad-core Core i7 “Haswell” processor clocked at 3.70GHz. When both frequency increases as well as increased core-count are taken into account, the Haswell-E should be over 30% faster compared to Ivy Bridge-E.

Intel did not comment on the news-story.

Tags: Intel, Haswell-E, Haswell, Ivy Bridge-E, HEDT, 22nm, Core


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"Leaked slides presumably from an Intel Corp.’s document reveal that the world’s largest chipmaker is preparing a rather revolutionary update to its high-end desktop"

Jamming more cores in it is revolutionary?
3 4 [Posted by: KeyBoardG  | Date: 06/18/13 11:24:09 AM]
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I don't think you read the article past the first paragraph. Not only will the new chip have 8 cores, but it will also have a new memory controller supporting up to 4 channels of DDR4 memory, it will also have a new CPU socket supporting a higher thermal design. All things combined, I would say this is more revolutionary than the current Haswell release.
1 1 [Posted by: deepblue08  | Date: 06/18/13 04:01:41 PM]

SInce its Intel I'll assume that the new socket 2011-3 wont take Sandybridge-e/ivybridge-e processors and 2011-0 socket mobos wont take Haswell-E processors.
1 0 [Posted by: Dave Hartnell  | Date: 06/18/13 01:01:07 PM]
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Haswell needed a new socket since much of the VRM got integrated into CPU (a major change in motherboard circuit).

So yes, a new socket for Haswell-E too.
2 0 [Posted by: trumpet-205  | Date: 06/18/13 03:50:17 PM]
No need to assume. I Think It's already clear All Socket for Haswell/Haswell-E incompatible with SB/IB/SB-E/IB-E
2 0 [Posted by: jpunk  | Date: 06/18/13 07:10:32 PM]

all the core i7's should lack built in graphics and instead add more cache where gamers can actually make real use of something.

So the max memory controller will support DDR4 2133mhz which is something that DDR3 can do right now. So in other words supporting DDR4 on a memory controller that can only max out support at 2133mhz is a novelty gimmick, considering they can do that with DDR3 now. it just goes to show you that DDR3 has still a decent amount of life left in it considering no memory controller is capable of pushing beyond 2133mhz not even for something that will be out next year.
2 0 [Posted by: SteelCity1981  | Date: 06/18/13 01:53:17 PM]
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Current DDR3 controllers only support a maximum of 1600-1866 Mhz. If you want to use 2133-3000 Mhz memory you need to overclock.
2 0 [Posted by: Filiprino  | Date: 06/19/13 05:50:16 AM]
those are JDEC spec.
0 0 [Posted by: SteelCity1981  | Date: 06/19/13 08:08:41 AM]

It's ironic that Intel can't increase the CPU performance in spite of a node reduction so they add more RAM channels, which also do nothing for performance on a desktop PC.

For those who don't know DDR3 @ 1600 MHz. is NOT a system bottleneck so higher frequency or more RAM channels does not produce any tangible increase in system performance. The theoretical performance such as in RAM benches increases but actual system performance does not.

DDR4 is also an expensive solution looking for a problem. DDR4 doesn't offer desktop users any substance as it's designed primarily for servers where it can show some gains - but at a high price. With DDR4 you can't add RAM. You install all the RAM you want in one step. By design unfortunately, there is no option to just add RAM to existing RAM like with DDR3.
2 2 [Posted by: beenthere  | Date: 06/18/13 03:02:43 PM]
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Just what nonsense are you talking about? Haswell-E is for workstation/enthusiast desktop user. It is clearly not for your average mainstream desktop user.

SB-E and IB-E already are using quad channel DDR3. DDR4 does not use channel topology anyway. DDR4 uses point to point connection. You most certainly can add or remove RAM as your wish with DDR4.

When DDR3 was first introduced, it was expensive too. Same with DDR2 and so on. New technology will always start at a premium price then work its way down.

You also don't understand that many workstation/business applications stress RAMs quite a bit. Faster RAM is definitely beneficial.

While this does not apply to the rest of Intel lineup, it is already proven that faster RAM speeds things up with AMD system, especially AMD APU.
1 2 [Posted by: trumpet-205  | Date: 06/18/13 03:38:44 PM]
Good point about the APU; I am surprised Intel did not give the socket 1150 a DDR4 makeover, since those chips will really benefit from the extra memory bandwidth.
1 0 [Posted by: deepblue08  | Date: 06/18/13 04:05:12 PM]
because intel doesn't work like that they aren't amd, they will make you buy a new socket and a new cpu just to get DDR4 support.
2 2 [Posted by: SteelCity1981  | Date: 06/18/13 06:23:39 PM]
You'll need a new socket for AMD as well. DDR4 also causes major changes with motherboard design.

Haswell received a socket change for VRM integration. There will be another socket change for Skylake (DDR4).

There is a reason for socket change, and it is not corporate greed.
0 2 [Posted by: trumpet-205  | Date: 06/18/13 06:40:52 PM]
went over your head on this one. i'm talking in general and not all socket changes were needed. the lga 1156 platform and the lga 1155 platform were very similar to each to the point where the sandy/ivy bridge processors could have continued to use the lga 1156 platform, but they decided for mostly marketing reasons it was better to come up with a slight variation of the lga 1156 for less confusion.

you could still have backwards compatibility with for new cpu's that support the latest ram on older sockets that don't. AMD's AM3 cpus for example were backwards compatible with AM2+ platforms because it had an DDR2/DDR3 intergrated memory controller on all the AM3 cpu's. so it's not that you can't do it as AMD already has it's the fact that are you willing to want to do it.
2 0 [Posted by: SteelCity1981  | Date: 06/18/13 07:32:05 PM]
LGA1156 uses DMI 1.0 (10 Gbps), whereas LGA1155 uses DMI 2.0 (20 Gbps).

AMD does the same thing with AM2 (HT2.0) and AM2+ (HT3.0). There is a performance penalty by using AM2+ CPU on AM2 MB, assuming that particular MB has updated BIOS.
1 2 [Posted by: trumpet-205  | Date: 06/18/13 08:50:51 PM]
you do realize the 1156 core I series cpu's used QPI and not DMI, It's shown in die diagrams as "MCP Interface" (MCP = Multi-chip package)

it's also why CPU-Z lists a QPI link frequency on Clarkdale.


the core i series 1155 cpus used DMI which is why QPI doesn't show up on cpu-z with the sandy bridge/ivy bridge 1155 cpus.
3 0 [Posted by: SteelCity1981  | Date: 06/19/13 06:19:34 AM]
Just like @Trumpet says, x-E targeting Enthusiast User. If you not that enthusiast then this isn't for you.

Also It's not just Intel. Let's count how long FM2 can survive?
0 0 [Posted by: jpunk  | Date: 06/18/13 07:20:42 PM]
the fm2 processors will be compatible with fm2+ sockets.
2 0 [Posted by: SteelCity1981  | Date: 06/18/13 07:33:35 PM]
That's forward compatibility, not backward compatibility. You cannot use Kaveri on FM2. You can however, use Trinity on FM2+.
0 2 [Posted by: trumpet-205  | Date: 06/18/13 08:36:37 PM]
I know that but he was implying fm2.
2 0 [Posted by: SteelCity1981  | Date: 06/19/13 06:20:37 AM]

Obviously Intel knows something we don't yet about the competition coming with Steamroller
2 2 [Posted by: linuxlowdown  | Date: 06/18/13 06:36:54 PM]

Funny what a little perceived competition will do.
0 0 [Posted by: tedstoy  | Date: 06/18/13 07:17:53 PM]


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