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It took Advanced Micro Devices nearly two years to develop code-named Kaveri accelerated processing units with Steamroller x86 cores, new-generation graphics engine as well heterogeneous system architecture capabilities. A good news is that from now on the company will get a little more aggressive and will introduce its brand-new next chip a year after Kaveri, sometimes in 2015.

As reported, the successor of AMD Kaveri is code-named Carrizo, but what have not been known so far is that the chip features Excavator x86 cores, the next step in the evolution of AMD Bulldozer micro-architecture. According to a slide that resembles those from AMD’s roadmap, which has been published by Prohardver web-site, the Corrizo APU will in many ways resemble Kaveri. The new chip will come in FM2+ form-factor and will fit into currently available mainboards based on AMD A88X and A78 core-logic. It will feature dual-channel DDR3 memory controller, PCI Express 3.0 bus and other necessary technologies.

Keeping in mind the fact that Corrizo will inherit a lot from Kaveri, expect it to support things like TrueAudio, Mantle, DirectX 11.2, OpenCL 2.0, HAS programming model and so on. What remains unclear is whether Corrizo will be made using 28nm process technology, 20nm manufacturing process or 14nm extreme mobile manufacturing technology.

It is interesting to note that next-generation low-cost code-named Beema APUs designed for desktops will emerge sometimes towards the middle of the 2014. By contrast, Mullins APUs based on the same technologies as Beema, are projected to hit the market in early 2014.

It is also noteworthy that there are no replacement for AMD FX-series microprocessors even in 2015.

AMD did not comment on the news-story.


Tags: AMD, Kaveri, Carrizo, Fusion, Beema, Kabini, 28nm, 20nm, 14nm, 14nm-XM, Globalfoundries, Excavator


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Discussion started: 12/03/13 09:39:23 PM
Latest comment: 01/24/14 12:55:30 AM
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3 8 [Posted by: Tristan  | Date: 12/03/13 09:39:23 PM]
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Are you talking about the new generation of Intel super powerful products?

Anyway even 2% more is better than as it is sometimes - 2% slower than the previous generation.
3 5 [Posted by: Zingam  | Date: 12/04/13 12:09:39 AM]
Hey Tristan, when did you come back from Mental hospital ? Everything under control now ?
3 5 [Posted by: Atlastiamhere  | Date: 12/04/13 05:19:26 AM]
he is right. adjust the clock speeds and busses to match.. and all you will get is 2-3%.
1 3 [Posted by: amdzorz  | Date: 12/04/13 11:12:44 AM]
You are correct about Intel.
1 1 [Posted by: Atlastiamhere  | Date: 12/05/13 01:46:13 AM]
BTW, Tristan, it feels sad that you had to go with the pain of creating multiple accounts to negative thumb me. Get a life dude.
1 1 [Posted by: Atlastiamhere  | Date: 12/05/13 01:45:28 AM]
Well, that statement made another 2% increase in the length of your nose.
1 2 [Posted by: linuxlowdown  | Date: 12/04/13 07:30:07 AM]

The haters just can't deal with the reality that AMD's APUs are far ahead of Intel and stealing market share on all fronts. It's good news for PC enthusiasts and not so much for Intel.

For the clueless Kaveri brings a 20% CPU boost and a 30% GPU boost compared to Haswell, IB and Sandy Bridge which typically brought a 5%-7% improvement based on independent testing by many industry sources.

Excavator cores will bring another 15%-20% CPU boost.
7 5 [Posted by: beenthere  | Date: 12/03/13 10:27:34 PM]
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and I'm guessing you haven't read the news where Kaveri chips are downclocked to keep TDP's low and thus nullifying any performance increase compared to its predecessor as things currently stand. Also don't compare Intel's performance increases to AMD when AMD lags so far behind its a joke. APU's aren't even on the radar in most desktops, mobile is obviously another story. AMD even admits they aren't competing with Intel on performance anymore.
4 2 [Posted by: Bruce Regael  | Date: 12/03/13 10:50:29 PM]
Leaving behind the fact that Intel's CPUs beat AMD on the highend high priced front, but even Intel's best offerings are a no go for highend gaming without the likes of a Nvidia or AMD descrete GPU. AMD is no longer focusing on their high end x86 CPU offerings, but instead focusing on lower power low cost APUs, both x86 and future ARM based APUs, both of which will be HSA/hUMA aware APUs! AMD can not afford to continue, at the present, to compete with Intel for the high end x86 CPU market, that both Intel and AMD have always been subsidizeing by sales of each companies' mainstream SKUs. AMD is instead prepairing for the low end low cost x86 market, where its SKUs have sales potential, and AMD's APUs have better graphics than even the higher priced Intel SKUs! The real market for mobile is built around the ARM based desigens, that the entire mobile industrial base uses in their products! An AMD APU based on the ARM instruction set, and paired with AMD graphics, HSA, hUMA will give AMD a product that will give Apple some serious competition in the high performence, ARM based Phone and Tablet market, that Apple has engineered a lead in with their Custom ARM 64 bit instruction set based Clones! AMD itself is the most qualified as it is the company that introduced 64 bit computing to the x86 instruction set. AMD will aquire a top tier ARM 64 bit architecture license from ARM holdings, and has the potential to out do Apple in the custom ARM 64 bit based market, and AMD has the extra added advantage of already producing GPUs, which even Apple can not do with Apple's existing ARM CPU clones, Apple has to license its GPU IP, AMD has its own, very competitive GPU IP. AMD should be focusing on making an ARM 64 bit APU/HSA/hUMA clone for the phone and tablet market, beacuse that is where the money is now, and that is where AMD will in the future make the money to again compete with Intel for the high end x86 market if AMD desires!
4 1 [Posted by: BigChiefRunAmok  | Date: 12/04/13 12:13:30 AM]
While the only processors by AMD that I use are GPUs in my laptops (I didn't really had a choice), I can tell you that being an Intel fan boy is dumb. How far behind is AMD? Not really that far. Can they do the job at their price point? They certainly do.
5 3 [Posted by: Zingam  | Date: 12/04/13 12:13:35 AM]
Yes true that from a user point of view the X86 performance is not that noticeable anymore, unless you use a stopwatch to compare every performance with Intel on the internet.

But having a feature packed GPU enhances the user experience by quite a lot. Everything you do with an APU machine would be smooth, fluid and hardware accelerated. Its an experience that cant be benched.

3 2 [Posted by: tks  | Date: 12/04/13 07:34:07 AM]
The news you are talking about never said that Kaveri will have 20% CPU boost per clock, it said that it will have 20% CPU boost period. In fact there are leaks that show Kaveri will have 35% higher IPC compared to previous generation.
0 1 [Posted by: Eldi Kaiser  | Date: 12/04/13 07:21:16 AM]
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1 4 [Posted by: amdzorz  | Date: 12/03/13 11:32:28 PM]
And ARM loses to anything Intel but still rules the world and mobile is the future! A segment that Intel will have as much success as Microsoft with their mobile platforms.

I say screw Wintel!
3 1 [Posted by: Zingam  | Date: 12/04/13 12:15:34 AM]
Why are you calling the Core i5 4670K pathetic? It's a mid range CPU (that many people would love to own) and the highest end Kaveri will likely be significantly cheaper.
6 1 [Posted by: ET3D  | Date: 12/04/13 02:28:38 AM]
(you can't even get that bit correct)
0 2 [Posted by: caring1  | Date: 12/04/13 04:38:56 AM]
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0 3 [Posted by: amdzorz  | Date: 12/04/13 11:14:22 AM]
I'll wait for actual user experience. AMD has in too many instances, over estimated actual performance boost.
3 1 [Posted by: trumpet-205  | Date: 12/04/13 02:21:47 AM]
20% /30% over richland not over haswell! get your facts right!
1 0 [Posted by: tcube  | Date: 12/04/13 09:19:03 AM]
my facts are right. right from AMD's lead.
1 3 [Posted by: amdzorz  | Date: 12/04/13 11:15:21 AM]

Nice to see AMD moving to lower power, with 65W as TDP and no higher end chips.
5 3 [Posted by: ET3D  | Date: 12/04/13 02:25:36 AM]

once again, an "intel argument". this is AMD roadmap. intel has its own - i'm mentioning this because there is little relevant stuff, but a lot of intel-has-this-and-that.

i'm likely the oldest person here, but all of you live in the past - even ones clearly too young to understand market, and how many different sides it has.

intel is an undisputed ruler in (CPU) performance, especially single thread (whose time is inevitable at the end - ST, not intels). intel charges premium price for their high-end products.

amd concentrates (as clearly seen here) on APU, is behind intel in CPU power and ahead in GPU. amd plans to harness the APU power in the future, and make DIFFERENT processor than intel. amd prices are modest compared to intel ones, and CPU products are NOT high-end.

RISC is here for the 3rd time (as far as i recall) to "bring x86 world to its knees". extremely large software base (making all 'stores', 'markets', etc. quite laughable in comparison) is standing behind x86, and it's so powerful that it keeps down even x86 development (multi-threading, 64-bit, opencl, new instruction sets) - many important x86 improvements are not used to the max because lack of software support

this is NOT the case for RISC, since their software base is small and new. people doesn't understand that RISC is NOT better than CISC, just different. like comparing CPU to GPU. put software with 100% support for all new x86 techs and compare it with RISC on any feature/price level - they are likely to be the same.

any technology THAT superior would cause other to die.

why is "pc market in decline"? it is not - PCs we bought couple years ago work like a charm. laptop i bought 3 years ago is become wear-out crap needing investments close to buying new one. tablets 3 years old - does they even exist in use? cellphones?

PC user - type 1: for a work i do (my job) - i'm dead sure it will be PC, with much-larger-than-7/10/15.6", keyboard and mouse. with MS windows and MS office. THAT is the way companies think - android? nope, for at least next 10 years - we still have data and in-house software from '90, fully incompatible with android. [on that matter, companies may opt to use windows-phones, IF they are converted to singular eco-system, which is announced - thing that no one is taking into account in forums]

PC user - type 2: for my home computer, i also need keyboard/mouse, large screen, very large data storage and home-network - because "that is how i roll" - meaning PC. at least one. other device may come in my eco-system, but this one is bare-bone, one that i cannot live without, and tablet is not (having laptop and modern cell-phone, and being gadget-loving person, i will probably get one sometimes). for next few years, desktop will be here and it will be x86 based. AMD or Intel? depending on need/offer. MS? currently, yes, not necessarily so in the future.

PC user - type 3: VERY high-end oriented, needs best CPU and GPU, price doesn't matter (Intel CPU, AMD/NVIDIA GPU)

PC user - type 4: price oriented, doesn't know much about hardware neither he wants too (cheap Intel, perhaps discrete graphics, or AMD APU). wanting games? CONSOLE

everyone here acts as PC user - type 3 - YES, WHEN YOU NEED 300+$ CPU + 400+$ GPU you choose Intel CPU. SATISFIED?

other three PC-types not necessarily need to go intel (companies do, in 95% cases, and then it is NOT i7 and rarely i5 - cause "that's the way they roll".

perhaps AMD roadmap can be looked separately from intels, they are aiming on slightly to completely different segments. what if kaveri will be somewhat weaker than 4670K? it is venerable CPU, with mid-range cost. i don't even understand why do AMD people mention these data - perhaps for people with no interest in hardware, to be a rough comparison.
4 2 [Posted by: snakefist  | Date: 12/04/13 06:23:41 AM]
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Both amd and intel run mico and macro ops. which is risc. only the prefecth and tied units ''run'' x86. after that the decoders pull everything aprat and turn it into risc-like code and then fuse the results into multiple parallel 32/64/128 instructions.
0 2 [Posted by: amdzorz  | Date: 12/04/13 11:17:28 AM]
no. this is simply untrue. where did you get this? from the 8088 till today, x86 is CISC incarnate. school example
1 1 [Posted by: snakefist  | Date: 12/04/13 12:02:16 PM]
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0 3 [Posted by: amdzorz  | Date: 12/04/13 03:27:59 PM]
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1 4 [Posted by: amdzorz  | Date: 12/04/13 04:37:31 PM]
ask. why instructions are decoded, if they were RISC in the first place? of course CISC is not execute 'as is', but decoded to parts of code.
if you learn from PICTURES you linked, try reading:

and really avoid being rude, as you are ignorant.
2 1 [Posted by: snakefist  | Date: 12/04/13 11:29:07 PM]
hahaha says the guy who did not know what a macro-op was... lulz... /smdh/
0 1 [Posted by: amdzorz  | Date: 12/05/13 10:56:42 AM]
and if ""wow.. where have you been??"" is rude... you have very limited internet experience to boot.
0 1 [Posted by: amdzorz  | Date: 12/05/13 10:59:51 AM]
This sentence makes no sense.. ""ask. why instructions are decoded, if they were RISC in the first place? ""

but. too completely guess at a answer.. it is because it is cheaper to develope x86, even if it is not even used once past the decoders and turned into amd/intel risc instructions. (which ONLY happend after the pentium pro, from 8086 to then all x86 cores ran full variable length legacy 8,16,32 bit instructions and simple chips like power series would win... way back then)

again ... that school.... shakes head.
0 1 [Posted by: amdzorz  | Date: 12/05/13 11:03:48 AM]
and lastly, even if you were to code for risc only... which is almost legacy.. you still need a chip to run it on that 80% of the world that uses. which is also why nobody switched when Itanium first came out. Itanium rev-2 with the 32bit instructions added was VVAASSTTLLYY superior to anything else out there for big workloads. but nobody wanted to code for it because lo-n-behold it meant they needed to redevelop all of thier software because you cant cut and paste and compile.. top that off with high cost of the chip, and no-one willing to walk away from cheaper more readily supported x86 ..thus low adoption.. and fail like a boss and down goes the Itanic.

Until intel or amd developes a chip capable of front end risc AND x86 ... risc will not take over the casual user or business desktop. Risc will live happily in our tablets, phones and kiosks.
0 1 [Posted by: amdzorz  | Date: 12/05/13 11:11:25 AM]
random though.. your like 23 right ? would explain alot... (btw not being rude... just theorizing.. since that might offend you .. i guess...)
0 1 [Posted by: amdzorz  | Date: 12/05/13 11:13:49 AM]

This roadmap is really disappointing if it is even true.

I mean it does not mention FX, that is one thing, but AMD has FX in 2014, just nothing new, so perhaps there is something for 2015 with Steamroller. There is evidence of a 16 core Steamroller Opteron in development, likely at 20nm for 2015. It should be drop in replacement for past Piledriver Opterons. And if you are going to make some 350mm^2 Opteron CPU die with steamroller, they could probably make a lot of 8-core FX CPU with good margins on a chip less than 200mm^2. The question would just be what kind of clock speeds could they get out of it. On 20nm, perhaps GloFo has a better CPU optimized process that would allow it to go to 4.5 GHz. I would still rather have a 4GHz Steamroller CPU than a Vishera that might get to 5GHz at high power draw. I like the Vishera I have, but I don't push it too much, and I never have any problem with it.

Now, I can understand wanting to maintain sockets, but what a terrible time to decide to maintain a socket when in 2014 we are still on DDR3 RAM. The thing killing AMD's iGPU is the low RAM bandwidth. For christ sake, either use GDDR5 like you hyped before or use DDR4 in 2015. Why keep stunting yourself? People will be happier with more performance and a new motherboard than a drop in replacement. And AMD would have more street credit doing something that really does improve performance. And there had best be at least a 6-core APU in 2015.

AMD may talk like they are trying to do well in desktops but in 2014 they aren't really showing it.
0 0 [Posted by: Principle  | Date: 01/24/14 12:55:30 AM]


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