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When Intel Corp. last quarter said that it would delay mass production of the next-generation code-named Broadwell microprocessors, it was expected that the new chips will become available only in late 2014. However, a new piece of information indicates that the world’s largest chipmaker may start to roll-out Broadwell chips as early as in the third quarter of 2014.

The decision to postpone mass production of Broadwell was conditioned not only by slow demand for personal computers in general and microprocessors in particular, but also by yields that were below Intel’s comfortable level.

“We continue to make progress with the industry's first 14nm manufacturing process and our second generation 3D transistors. Broadwell, the first product on 14nm is up and running as we demonstrated at Intel Developer Forum, last month. While we are comfortable with where we are at with yields, from a timing standpoint, we are about a quarter behind our projections. As a result, we are now planning to begin production in the first quarter of next year. It was simply a defect density issue,” said Brian Krzanich, chief executive officer of Intel, back in October.

Shortly after Intel made its official announcement, slides from the company’s roadmap made it to the Internet and revealed that the chip giant only plans to start rolling-out its mainstream Broadwell microprocessors for desktops and laptops only in late Q4 2014.

Nonetheless, according to KitGuru web-site, Intel will begin to introduce various chips based on the Broadwell micro-architecture starting from Q3 2014. In case the information about release of select Broadwell chips in the third quarter is correct, then the first actual products (mainboards, notebooks, desktops, etc.) featuring the new chips will show up at the forthcoming Computex Taipei 2014 trade-show in early June. As a result, it will be logical to expect them to arrive by back-to-school (BTS) season.

Intel’s forthcoming Broadwell micro-architecture resembles existing Haswell micro-architecture, but contains a number of tweaks aimed to improve performance and boost battery life. Since the new chips will be made using thinner process technology, it is logical to expect higher energy-efficiency and/or additional clock-speed potential.

Unfortunately, the roll-out of Broadwell is expected to be relatively slow and Intel’s main force for this year will continue to central processing units based on the Haswell micro-architecture, including those that belong to Haswell- refresh family.

Intel did not comment on the news-story.

Tags: Intel, Core, Broadwell, 14nm, Haswell

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With so many transistors packed into a small space, we're looking at lower clocks - no gain in computing power per core, just gain in efficiency. Moore's law will continue, but x86 computational power will square off without multi-threaded apps. That's why the HSA design will win going to lower nodes. Intel will need to ramp things up just to keep its nose in front... but it will ultimately lose unless it comes up with a design that compares to HSA.
5 6 [Posted by: linuxlowdown  | Date: 01/14/14 04:42:02 AM]
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based on the Kevari reviews... amd has 0 chance of that.
3 5 [Posted by: amdzorz  | Date: 01/14/14 10:43:40 AM]
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HSA is two-fold: (1) allow other IP blocks to be combined into AMD's designs, and (2) it's usually used as an umbrella for bringing CPU and GPU even closer.

Btw, Haswell is more "HSA" than any-pre Kaveri CPU in terms of #2 (see above). For a reference, you may read http://www.anandtech.com/...tx-extensions-for-haswell

Bringing CPU and GPU closer is a "no-brainer". Remember, NVidia introduced "zero copy", Intel was first with integrating CPU and GPU on the same Die, etc. -- so congratulations to AMD for "inventing" HSA and also the "APU" term!
4 3 [Posted by: hfp  | Date: 01/14/14 01:36:39 PM]
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"LLD said:Moore's law will continue, but x86 computational power will square off without multi-threaded apps. That's why the HSA design will win going to lower nodes. Intel will need to ramp things up just to keep its nose in front... "

given the massively assembly optimised multi threaded x264 code base for instance , and the fact this probably has some AVX2 SIMD improvement's too, then how exactly do you expect HSA to help here in any multi threaded sequential integer code, note that not one single gfx developer of any API has managed to add patches to any core x264 routine that actually speeds up the data throughput at a given highest visual quality on AMD or intel to date
3 4 [Posted by: sanity  | Date: 01/14/14 07:49:55 PM]
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0 3 [Posted by: linuxlowdown  | Date: 01/15/14 05:44:20 AM]
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sorry you fail, people that do not investigate these things beyond the first instance always try that link...

did you miss the part where i said "add patches" as in submit them and get them included into the current code base...

if you read that link you pasted it says quite clearly
"We are working in adding the source code to the x264 development tree."

and guess what, they never did submit this code to the IRC channels in any form not even a hi guys, we have this new tested code against master for the gpu assisted challenge and here's the link type response and so it never got reviewed for inclusion...

yes the x264 dev's even have a standing challenge to any gfx coder to actually write optimized code and even new gfx related algorithm's if it helps them provide something useful, lot's have tried over the years and failed to date.

and the funny thing concerning "Would you dare argue against German scientists?" the x264 dev's did in fact do exactly that after looking over their code when it was pointed out to them finally... the consensus was it did no better than all the other failed low quality GPU efforts.

but if you want to pick it up, re-code it and finally submit it to the core dev's for inclusion, who knows maybe YOU will be the one to finally produce an enhanced highest visual quality gfx assisted encode that speeds up the existing CPU core routines after all these years ...

BTW did you forget the question?
here it is again for you to answer

"how exactly do you expect [HSA] to help here in any multi threaded sequential integer code"

...and just so you know "Full Search based" code is NOT a core x264 routine , its function is to simply assist the first pass nothing more
1 0 [Posted by: sanity  | Date: 01/15/14 07:44:53 AM]
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If you've got some good links on what your talking about, I would like to read about it. I still think it is dangerous to argue against German scientists.
0 1 [Posted by: linuxlowdown  | Date: 01/15/14 08:58:44 AM]
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I'm not expert in video encoding development. I believe the challenge here is that OpenCL or equivalent is less flexible than CPU aimed code. There are a lot of C/C++ developers out there and many high skilled ones, but to learn GPU aimed development one needs to relearn even programming logic.

It is cool to say that the GPU is being used, it is more parallel and fast on the same code, etc. But if CPU code is more otmized, it will be faster.

And even if it's slower. If parts of GPU processing is hardware based (IDK if it's the sace in nVidia, AMD and Intel products, it is in some embedded chips), it will be impossible to improve it at all.

I myself don't worry if CPU encoding takes twice the time to happen, if it's quality is better. I believe Video encoding challenge must be reaching maximum quality at an affordable bitrate, and not get the job done ASAP with any available quality.

We've seen something like that happen with HE-AAC, that's worse than MP3 @ 128Kbps even though it's better @ 64Kbps. For temporary files and streamming it's better, but today ppl want FLAC for their musics and complain even on 320Kbps MP3.
0 0 [Posted by: Hikari  | Date: 01/20/14 08:13:51 AM]
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1 5 [Posted by: AnonymousGuy  | Date: 01/14/14 07:48:24 AM]
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they forget to mention that you need a new motherboard for broadwell and haswell is incompatible with the new chipset due to power regulation changes.
6 0 [Posted by: SteelCity1981  | Date: 01/14/14 08:57:56 AM]
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1 6 [Posted by: amdzorz  | Date: 01/14/14 02:06:48 PM]
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ok it's fm2+ first of all and what is your point? kaveri is based on a new core logic. boardwell and haswell are the same core logic and you still have to upgrade to a new socket!
5 0 [Posted by: SteelCity1981  | Date: 01/14/14 04:09:15 PM]
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Richland and Kevari are pin compatible. but like intel was forced to a new socket to meet power demands. thy kettle is black, pot
3 5 [Posted by: amdzorz  | Date: 01/14/14 05:44:21 PM]
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here is the diff richland and trinity can be put on an fm2+ kaveri apu chipset motherboard, haswell can't on broadwell's chipset motherboard you have to buy a new chipset motherboard and haswell is less then a year old and it's still using the same tick tock platform ontop of that! then in 2015 skylake will be out on a new intel arch which means there will be 3 yes 3 new platforms that are incompatible with each other in a 2 year timeframe. forced to a new intel socket? the socket is the same first of all, more like marketing. that chipset is less then a year old are you telling me that intel couldn't lower power demands using the same chipset on something less then a year old? come on... this isn't like the 1150 was as old as lga775 here, we are talking about a chipset that came out in 2013!
4 0 [Posted by: SteelCity1981  | Date: 01/14/14 11:53:38 PM]
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2 5 [Posted by: amdzorz  | Date: 01/14/14 05:45:35 PM]
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yeah and am3/+ has been out since 2009! big diff...
4 0 [Posted by: SteelCity1981  | Date: 01/14/14 11:56:01 PM]
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Price of being on the cutting edge. Most people probably don't upgrade for years where they'd need a new mobo anyways...you still see people running 920's and 2500K's.
1 0 [Posted by: AnonymousGuy  | Date: 01/14/14 05:32:31 PM]
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Still running a Q95550
0 0 [Posted by: George Jeffrey  | Date: 01/15/14 02:43:53 PM]
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"SC said: they forget to mention that you need a new motherboard..."

so what, perhaps you might go for an Mini-ITX form factor motherboard this time around to fit in with all the ARM quad/octacore boxes on your desk in 2014/15, and lets not forget
if you pull your old CPU/APU from that old board and replace it with a new CPU/APU/SOC, what good is that older core to you then , ether way there's a cost for upgrading...

oh and in case you forgot the official facts as known,
you do not need a new board for Broadwell (most will get one anyway for keeping the old one functional as a second unit etc) as per

"Broadwell and Haswell are pin compatible, so for the most part this will slide into existing systems," CEO Brian Krzanich said during Intel’s earnings call on Tuesday Oct 15, 2013"

http://www.pcworld.com/ar...-for-pcs-and-hybrids.html

as far as we know there has been no change in that drop in replacement stance so far...
3 4 [Posted by: sanity  | Date: 01/14/14 08:23:43 PM]
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ok so why would I have to buy a new motherboard just to put my current processor on the same socket that's less then a year old in a itx motherboard using a newer chipset....

and so? how about the fact that haswell isn't even a year old yet and you can't even use broadwell on an existing haswell chipset even though it's on the same socket! that's called screwing over the consumer, forcing them to buy a new chipset just to upgrade to broadwell that's on the same socket!

what is replacing your cpu have anything to do with having to replace your motherboard to support the newer cpu on the same socket?

yeah and you have to spend an extra 120 dollars for a new motherboard because you can't just put the new cpu using the same socket that you already have based on the same socket! so you are adding an additional cost compared to just upgrading you cpu only....

Yeah.... no, I don't think people that have haswell are just going to go out and buy newer chipset just to upgrade to broadwell and turn around a year later and can't upgrade without again buying a new chipset to support skylake. I don't know what world you live in but most consumers don't do that, unless they are well off money wise and can afford to burn money like that. case and point was sandy bridge many people that upgraded to ivy bridge cpu's were still using the H6x sandy bridge motherboards, they didn't run out and buy the h7x motherboards when ivy bridge came out.

ok and what does that have to do with being not able to use a broadwell cpu in an existing haswell chipset motherboard? pin compatible isn't the issue you can't use a broadwell cpu in existing haswell chipsets, without buying a broadwell chipset motherboard.

Intel Broadwell and Haswell Refresh Platform Only Compatible With 9-Series Chipset – New Power Supply Ratings Imposed

http://wccftech.com/intel...gs-imposed/#ixzz2qWGV8epd

0 0 [Posted by: SteelCity1981  | Date: 01/15/14 08:09:35 PM]
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Is Broadwell coming to desktop or not?

There has been a lot of conflicting reports about whether or not the desktop version is coming.

I've heard rumors that Broadwell is only coming to laptops, and desktops get a Haswell refresh, and that's it.
0 0 [Posted by: George Jeffrey  | Date: 01/15/14 03:02:02 PM]
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false, they will come to desktops
0 0 [Posted by: Joseph stratton  | Date: 01/24/14 12:36:49 PM]
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What do they mean slow demand, Yeah maybe for pre made office boxes.
There is certainly a demand out there for enthusiast cpu's/gpu's, I got the money right now to upgrade but like many just don't see the point, My Sandy-E is still doing extremely well and I am scratching my head looking for a worth while replacement in enthusiast class of cpu's. Maybe this Broadwell with X99 will be the one to wait for as Ivy Bridge,Ivy-E and Haswell were pretty average if you already had a Sandy-E.
0 0 [Posted by: ozegamer  | Date: 04/14/14 03:57:21 PM]
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