Advanced Micro Devices has decided to delay or even cancel its code-named Deccan ultra low-voltage (ULV) platform for netbooks, notebooks and nettops and introduce much less advanced Brazos 2.0 platform for inexpensive PCs in 2012. Although the new platform will boost performance slightly compared to existing Brazos 1.0, it will not be as revolutionary as the Deccan.
According to a source with knowledge of AMD's plans, the company ran into serious problems with its code-named Wichita accelerated processing unit for low-power low-cost personal computers. While it is not completely clear whether the production problems were conditioned by design issues (Wichita system-on-chip was supposed to have up to four x86 cores and integrated input/output controller) or by Globalfoundries' 28nm fabrication technology issues. Nonetheless, at present the Deccan is absent from AMD's 2012 roadmap and the Brazos 2.0 is supposed to substitute it.
The Brazos 2.0 platform is based on accelerated processing unit with up to two Bobcat-class x86 cores, next-generation Radeon HD 7000 graphics adapters and single-channel DDR3 memory controller. The new A68 Fusion controller hub (FCH) input/output controller (Hudson D3L) will bring support for USB 3.0 as well as Serial ATA-600 to AMD's ULV platform.
The Brazos 2.0 APU is supposed to be pin-to-pin compatible with FT1 infrastructure, but since A68 FCH utilizes 656-pin BGA package (instead of 605-pin that A45 uses), manufacturers will have to slightly redesign their existing products for Brazos 2.0. On the one hand, AMD will relatively easily upgrade available entry-level Fusion-based machines, but on the other hand Deccan platform would enable thinner and sleeker designs and would improve competitive positions of AMD.
At present AMD readies several flavours of Brazos 2.0 offerings for netbooks, notebooks and nettops. For example, models E1-1200 (two cores at 1.40GHz, 1MB cache, Radeon HD 7310 graphics engine with 80 cores at 500MHz, 18W, etc.) and E2-1800 (two cores at 1.70GHz, 1MB cache, Radeon HD 7340 graphics engine with 80 cores at 680/523MHz, 18W, etc.) will target nettops and low-power notebooks.
The source expects AMD Brazos 2.0 to hit production stage by mid-February, 2012. Since the APU will be made using "good-old" TSMC's 40nm process technology, the ramp up should be fairly quick and the new chips will be launched in late Q1 or early Q2, 2012.
The Deccan/Wichita and Deccan/Krishna platforms are not the first major new introductions that AMD decided to scrap for 2012. Previously, the company cancelled its Corona platform with next-gen Comodo processors and decided to introduce much less progressive Volan platform with Vishera CPUs.
Tags: AMD, Fusion, Wichita, Deccan, Bobcat, 28nm, Krishna, 40nm
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Due to GloFo's inability to sort their 28nm production in time, AMD is just going to skip one generation of low power CPUs and pull the next generation ahead, which may be very good for consumers.
http://semiaccurate.com/2...ills-wichita-and-krishna/
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Charlie has been always blaming anybody but AMD for own AMD's problems.
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Date: 11/22/11 08:36:25 PM]
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I wonder how AMD's 20nm will stack up to Intel's ivy bridge and AMD's Trinity.
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Date: 11/22/11 08:33:57 AM]
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Me wonder how AMD's 9nm will stack up to Intel's ivy bridge?
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Date: 11/23/11 09:10:51 PM]
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It's way too early to think about 20nm for AMD. GloFo and TMSC are still sorting 28nm though it looks like TSMC is finally running 28nm chips. GloFo is just starting 28nm production.
Thankfully AMD doesn't need 20nm tech to deliver excellent products. 32nm and 28nm production should serve them well for several years.
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Date: 11/22/11 09:20:34 AM]
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It's too early now to think about 20nm but AMD could release 20nm a few months early and actually have competition for Intel's Ivy Bridge ULV platform. However you're wrong on the fact that AMD doesn't need to shrink their CPU's. Fact is that they badly need to shrink their CPU's because they all USE too much power and under perform.
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Date: 11/22/11 09:57:20 AM]
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Actually your beliefs are untrue but you're entitled to hold any beliefs that make you happy. As AMD has shown in the past, their CPUs can use less power than Intel and still provide better performance.
The trace size is only one aspect of power consumption. If you look at TMSC's info. on their 28nm you'll see they offer multiple versions with different power consumption. This is how specialized and segmented GPU/APU/CPU design is getting. AMD is obviously using TSMC for GPUs and GloFo for CPUs/APUs so we'll see what GloFo delivers.
http://www.tsmc.com/engli...undry/technology/28nm.htm
For reference Trinity runs as low as 17.5W and has a boost of 20-30% over current Llano chips so it's all good on the power front for AMD.
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Posted by: beenthere
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Date: 11/22/11 10:44:07 AM]
Yes the reference Trinity will run on a 17.5W TDP however IPC will go down but clock speeds will go up. Yes AMD does use less power when you compare 35 watt Llanos to Intel's 25 or 35 watt dual core offerings however Intel's low-end ULV dual cores pretty much destroys Llano in everything except GPU performance.
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Posted by: jmlxg
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Date: 11/22/11 11:07:32 AM]
Really we know nothing about Trinity. Speaking about future AMD's products is like a gambling.
The fresh past says me that Trinity is worse than we were promised, and nobody can be sure that it won't be cancelled at last moment.
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Posted by: Azazel
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Date: 11/22/11 08:41:23 PM]
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Another blow for AMD.
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Date: 11/22/11 10:29:45 AM]
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Hi AMD. I'm bored.
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Posted by: Pouria
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Date: 11/22/11 10:35:57 AM]
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AMD is having trouble bring "Quality products" to the market. 17.5 watt Trinity won't be a much of match for Ivy Bridge ULV.
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Date: 11/22/11 11:09:14 AM]
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Well 130 new OEMs can't get enough Llano APUs to meet demand so someone is pretty happy with AMD products because they are buying them in spite of some people's subjective opinions. With trinity upping the anti and Intel a year behind on APUs, it's all good for consumers and AMD.
It's not AMD who is having problems bringing "quality products" to market. It's GloFlo who is having production efficiency issues, which seem to be fadding from what my sources indicate.
As the link above indicates, AMD is actually pulling production ahead which is good for consumers.
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No they are both having problems bring quality products to the market. AMD llano is good but not good enough because it sucks CPU wise and GPU wise it could be alot better. Sure people can undervolt and overclock llano but trinity will NOT BE the same way because of the crapdozer architecture it is based upon uses WAY TOO much power.
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Date: 11/22/11 05:49:25 PM]
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40nm Brazos 2.0 vs 22nm Ivy Bridge ULV. goodbye AMD no chance
Maybe if it was on 28nm but no way in hell on 40nm
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Date: 11/22/11 02:24:03 PM]
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Yeah that is for sure. Intel IVY bridge ULV will destroy it even in GPU benchmarks and that just adds insult to injury as it will have already beat in every other benchmark.
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Date: 11/22/11 05:51:43 PM]
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http://www.pcworld.in/pro...8-3850-llano-apu-58512011
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the difference was3-4 times better for amd & i3 cpu was 1.5% better - not noticeable. amd is also cheaper & runs leaner, & has dx11
Its an excellent product for the developing world. Dont be gulled by the intel hype.. amd have sold over half their fusion apuS to china.
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Posted by: msroadkill612
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Date: 11/22/11 07:04:07 PM]
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AMD doesn't always run leaner than Intel. The proof is that the core i3 ULV uses less than 25 watts at load and matches AMD llano's CPU performance. I think for the next year AMD HAS NOTHING that can come even close to competing with sandy/ivy bridge. I don't think AMD can lower their power consumption by enough to pull it off.
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Date: 11/22/11 07:10:49 PM]
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Those voting with their wallet are buying Llano and they will also buy Trinity. Ivy Bridge is a long ways off and may be a disappointment just as SB-E is?
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Posted by: beenthere
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Date: 11/22/11 07:43:51 PM]
AMD Fanboi. Blind to the truth. Ivy Bridge will lower power usage by 50% or more that will make for some nice sub 15 watt ultrabooks. I don't think trinity will get that low unless they do some serious undervolting.
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Date: 11/23/11 07:00:14 PM]
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vid_ghost <-- intel drone #1
Really?
Brazos is a $40 APU while any ULV cpu's come with the cheapo as hell $200-350 premium. Want to know why the "ultrabooks" failed hard?
OEM's. We need to give it a more attractive price, please intel, lower your insane profit/chip ($250-300 for SB ULV).
Intel: No, you can lower it by using lower quality material (plastic instead aluminium / HDD instead of SSD).
Mac Book Air: Trollface.gif
jmlxg <-- intel drone #2
Trinity APU 17w designed for slim laptops. Good price.
Llano CPU competes pretty well with the i3's. And in the gpu part is 3-4times faster than the bugged HD3000. So it will be at least 2-3faster than IB IGP, Trinity even faster than that.
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Date: 11/22/11 09:42:19 PM]
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Look, I am not an Intel Drone it is just Intel has better products plain and simple. AMD has not put out a product good enough for me to change my mind. Remember Trinity's IPC will be lower than Intel by a huge margin. IPC is King when it comes to low power.
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Date: 11/23/11 06:46:43 PM]
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only Intel minions here as usual...only biased opinions and nothing objective, crap!
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Date: 11/23/11 12:03:44 AM]
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The haters seem to think that hating will change reality, but it never does.
As previously posted, the issues with AMDs low end ULV/APUs are not design issues, they are production issues at GloFo.
http://www.fudzilla.com/p...alfoundries-for-28nm-apus
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Well that is the first thing you have been right on.
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Date: 11/23/11 06:49:09 PM]
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It Woundt be a Problem if AMD able to Keep Up its Money and able to Par with Core 2 in 2008. Right now AMD lost Share and Control over Global Foundry as well as Consumer. It Doesnt Matter if AMD able to have 100+ OEM, the question there how many People will buy their Product from it and how fast and how many will it reach in the store shelves.
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GF can't supply product fast enough. AMD CPUs/APUs sell faster that they are being produced.
Cray bought the first 10,000 Bulldozer based Opterons and has standing orders for more - as fats as they can be produced. Newegg goes thru a 1,000 FX-8150 CPUs in a few HOURS. As soon as they hit the door they are sold. AMD has sold over 12 MILLION APUs in the past year because they are far superior to Intel's joke for laptop integrated graphics.
AMD is making money in spite of the GF and TSMC production issues so someone is buying all of this product. That would be smart consumers and enterprise.
In addition AMD has INCREASED it's market share over Intel in the past 12 months - even with all the Fab production issues. Those are the facts. The sooner GF and TSMC sort out all of their production issues the better for consumers and AMD.
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Posted by: beenthere
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Date: 11/23/11 07:21:31 PM]
How come they still losing shares if they are doing well. IF they able to make money fast enough and big enough they shouldn't Fired 10 percent of their work force especially this Holiday Season.
I saw the Shared improvement on previous topics. it was able to gain only in Second Quarter this year First Quarter was Missing and Q3 they lost again. 4th Quarter last year they Lost again.
Its a normal reaction First Month of Release in Bulldozer, it will be a Hit since lots of customer was waiting since it was First Announce Years ago with to much delays. but will be Sales increase and demands coming Months.
If AMD was able to Hold the advancing Core 2 in 2008 this issue would less or probably not exist. and Intel Wont Sell Processor at High Prices.
AMD Llano is in demand specially Small Businesses right now the availability is Small. If AMD was much in control of GF they can produce more.
Right now AMD Should Focus to Par or I hope get Performance Crown Next Year. Remember Intel was able to Retake its Lost Shared by Releasing the Intel Core 2 in 2006. and regain the Performance Crown.
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Posted by: xentar
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Date: 11/23/11 08:33:38 PM]
You seem very confused and reaching baseless conclusions.
AMD has gained market share over Intel year-over-year. AMD also made good profit last quarter in spite of production issues at GloFo. FX chips had not been released in last quarter's results so you can't count them until this quarter.
Firing 10% of their works force was to invest in other areas where they feel they can get a better return on their investment. Intel has fired far more people than AMD over the years and no one considered that a big deal.
Demand for AMD APUs and Bulldozer based Opterons is very high and will continue to grow with Trinity. Newegg goes thru 1,000 FX-8150 CPUs in a few hours, week after week so sales are pretty good.
Performance crowns may sell CPUs to some enthusiasts but real money is made on mainstream consumers. For every person that buys the top of the line CPU there are 10,000 who buy a middle of the pack CPU.
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Date: 11/24/11 05:40:31 PM]
You posted that Link Year over Year Share. Remember.
AMD wont tell to the public as well to thier Shareholder, they said we Firing 10 percent cause we cant handle the expenses. Im my thinking AMD is Hiding the truth.
When Intel Core 2 was release. To get performance Crown it was not just the High End in was able to Beat Mainstream. By their Core 2 E6300 below, and Core 2 E4XXX, Pentium E2180 etc. which beat AMD X2 3XXX and FX series. Again this is History. If AMD will have same Objective AMD will regain those lost shares and Customers.
Here in Philippines AMD Bulldozer is not much in Demand Some store dont have Bulldozer or in Order basis. But AMD LLano and Intel i3 is in demand.
This are the top big store chain in Philippines
http://www.pcbodega.com/pcb2/index.php?c=52
http://pcquickbuys.com/
http://villman.com/Category/Processors
http://www.pcx.com.ph/ind...8rlkq6bl9b0&limit=all
They have Same Distributor. Thats why i said before How Fast how Many can it be Deliverd in Store Selves. AMD Marketing is Not Working Well in Philippines.
Consumer wont wait if AMD not available. thats why Intel Still dominate. if AMD wont do better in marketing and in volume delivery. what more will happen to their shares, it will be taken away by Strong Intel Marketing and Supply.
GF and TSMC not just producing AMD chipes they are chip contractor. to ATI/AMD Graphics, Nvidia and etc. if AMD still has control over GF, the supply is much better, more Money with will be use for R&D to beat Intel Processor.
South is Asia is Growing Economic Zone Intel knows this, thats why consumer dont have problem Finding Intel Anyware
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Posted by: xentar
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Date: 11/24/11 06:26:38 PM]
The Phillipines is not likely to be representative of the rest of the world where demand is high for FX chips as well as Llano and BD based Opterons.
As I have explained before AMD spends their marketing budget primarily on OEMs who buy thousands of APUs and CPUs weekly. AMD's business model is based on mainstream PC consumers not enthusiasts who represent ~5% of the PC market. Unlike Intel AMD does not use bribe money, blackmail or illegal tactics to sell their products. OEMs buy AMD products based on consumer demand for such products and that is why demand has skyrocketed for Llano APUs, FX CPUs and BD based Opteron 6200/4200 CPUs.
With 130 new OEMs using AMD APUs, AMD has sold over 12 Million APUs in the past 12 months and they will continue to increase their sales across all X86 market segments because they have the products that mainstream consumers desire.
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Posted by: beenthere
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Date: 11/24/11 06:48:52 PM]
I see, AMD is OEM. Too bad in Philippines OEM products are much expensive than a custom build one.
I read those illegal tactics Intel Do. if would do Less Effective if AMD offer faster Processor, Motherboard, More Supply. for 2007 to 2011
As you said bellow's @jmlxq's Post: "Poeple They care what the system performance is"
Thats what Intel Offering now. If you again remember. Intel was Slowest, High Temp, High Power Consumption in 2003 to 2006. Any Advertizement Offer Consumer dont believe them. they rather choose AMD over it.
Now Everything is in Reverse. Even without that illegal practice. Most People will still choose Intel.
Well see if AMD did improve there Marketshare This Last Quarter of 2011 and in First Quarter 2012.
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Posted by: xentar
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Date: 11/24/11 08:26:43 PM]
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Until AMD can further shrink their APU's to 22nm they won't close to catching up to intel. Hey but it looks like AMD's charts are right on the money this time.
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Date: 11/23/11 06:57:30 PM]
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You keep repeating false beliefs. As I explained to you in post #4, power consumption is not contingent exclusively on the trace size. There are many design factors that effect power consumption.
17.5W Trinity APUs will continue to be far and above Intel in actual system performance. The days of high clockspeeds and poor IGP in laptops and entry level desktop ended when AMD released the Llano APU. Enterprise is even using Llano in servers because they are so good.
Companies like Cray and others are all over Bulldozer based Opterons because of their lower power and higher performance at lower costs. Intel simply can't compete with their over-priced power hungry server CPUs.
Now Intel has to desperately try to catch up.
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Posted by: beenthere
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Date: 11/23/11 07:26:50 PM]
Guys Stay Cool. Much better if we continue Discussion when AMD Trinity and Intel Ivy Bridge Release next year.
As for now. Put you bet on your Processor Manufacturer you most love.
As for me Im waiting for Benchmark and Prices on this Up comming Processor
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Posted by: xentar
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Date: 11/23/11 08:44:33 PM]
First some people think bulldozer is actually good when it is not and that is why it is selling when it shouldn't be. AMD is using HIGH clock speed in Trinity to combat Low IPC. Llano is mediocre at best because it does not right nor wrong. Intel has a decent IGP and it will become much more powerful with Ivy Bridge.
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Date: 11/24/11 12:39:07 PM]
You might have yourself convinced but everyone else knows better. Intel's IGP is so horrible that every hardware review site on the planet has panned it.
Trinity's IPC will increase ~20% over Llano and it's IGP ~30%, staying far ahead of Intel in actual system performance, which is what consumers want and buy.
If being in denial makes you happy stay there. The rest of the world is moving on.
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Date: 11/24/11 05:30:27 PM]
That is where you are WRONG IPC will not increase AT ALL clock speeds will. Trinity's IGP will be much faster but the lackluster IPC and CPU will hinder it big time. I am not in denial I just am saying what is fact. the rest of the world will buy what they think is good but isn't always.
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Date: 11/24/11 06:54:04 PM]
You don't seem to get it... Mainstream consumers don't care what the IPC or clockspeed is. They care what the system performance is.
You are saying what you believe not what is actually true, just as with your power consumption beliefs and foolishnesss about Intel's IGP. You are in denial when you can't deal with the reality that AMD's APUs are superior and that is why they are selling so well.
Hating does not change reality. People vote with their wallet. Many are not interested in supporting a criminal corporation like Intel either.
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Date: 11/24/11 07:08:24 PM]
Oh wow you're right. However AMD Trinity WILL not beat Intel ivy bridge unless it can get down to sub 10 watt levels. Intel a criminal corporation okay but it is no crime that Intel's IPC twice as much.
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Date: 11/24/11 08:23:38 PM]
You just don't understand do you? It's not about "beating Intel". It's about supplying the products that OEMs and consumers desire and that is what AMD is doing.
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If AMD has reached the decision to move 28nm parts from from GloFo to TSMC, does it say us something about the future of Trinity?
If somebody failed to catch up to my thought i'd say it in another and more open way: is the production of Trinity by GloFo not in dim?
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28nm Brazos 2.0 I can't wait to see low much lower power consumption will be. I wonder how it will compare to Intel IVY Bridge ULV.
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You don't have a choice, you'll have to wait until it appears to see.
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Date: 11/24/11 01:09:59 PM]
Thats only part we can agree too. "WAIT First"
Again will this Processor do better than its competitor.
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