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As AGEIA startup approaches actual introduction of its physics processors, graphics firm ATI Technologies says that its chips are already capable of processing physics and it is only a matter of time for the graphics giant to enable the capability on commercially shipped units.

Raja Kodouri, a senior architect at ATI Technologies told X-bit labs that the company’s graphics processors, including the RADEON 9700, which is the world’s first DirectX 9.0 graphics processing unit (GPU), are capable of processing arrays of vertexes, similar type of operation that AGEIA’s physics processing units (PPUs) can perform. The arrays of data should be processed using pixel shader processors within a chip, the architect said.

Current generation of graphics processors has 16 pixel pipelines, which may not be that many. Nevertheless, in future graphics chips will have more pipes, which will also be unified to process both pixel and vertex shaders. For instance, the Xenos graphics chip used in the Xbox 360 game console from Microsoft has an array of 48 arithmetic logic units (ALUs).

In addition to cost advantage over dedicated physics processors, GPUs also have higher bandwidth to send vertex data to itself after physics is processed.

According to ATI, in case mainstream physics engines, such as Havoc, support physics calculations, the company will not need any special application programming interface in order to allow game developers to take advantage of capabilities.

Even though Mr. Kodouri implied about possibilities for physics processing on graphics chips, he did not reveal any performance benefits estimations concerning the matter. In fact, AGEIA, the developer of the world’s first PPU, also does not talk about performance of its product.

In case ATI and NVIDIA Corp. manage to implement physics processing capabilities into their graphics chips, companies like AGEIA may find it difficult to push their physics processing units to the mainstream market. Nevertheless, in the high-end dedcated chips may still outperform graphics and central processors when it comes to physics.  

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My little finger tel me that AGEIA API is already compatible with SM 3.0 GPU's ;)

Someone know if the AGEIA chip is not already an old GPU like GeForce 3 ? :)
[Posted by: Harry | Date: 10/06/05 05:45:22 AM]

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I don’t think we need another expensive unit and I am not quite ready to pay for it (or ever I hope). And the GPU is very well in right for the task and if it make better performance ATI or NVIDIA will implanted it.
[Posted by: Holken | Date: 10/06/05 10:44:23 AM]

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I hope this is true, because it will surely keep less heat out of my case from buying a physics card.
[Posted by: gman | Date: 10/06/05 02:24:22 PM]

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"Jack of all trades, master of none"

What ATi is talking about is using your graphics pipelines for physics instead of graphics, not extra physics out of nowhere. Personally if I am spending a lot of money a 24 pipe 7800GTX I wouldn't be too thrilled if 12 of my pipes were being used for physics instead of graphics.

Ageia has 120million transistors in their PPU, about 40% of the transistors in the newest GPU. This is not a substitute for the PPU.
[Posted by: sigh | Date: 10/06/05 08:21:19 PM]

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3D audio, physics and graphics should be ideally integrated on only one card, so there would be minimal need for redundant data transfers and storage. I see no sense in having multiple powerful processing units, when computer buses are jammed due to very intensive data transfers.
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which is more powerful at calculating physics, ATI or nVIDIA cards?
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