At least one add-in board manufacturing partner of ATI Technologies, a leading supplier of graphics processors, is planning to begin shipments of graphics cards for accelerated graphics port (AGP) bus that are based on the company’s latest Radeon X1950 Pro graphics processing unit.
Several online stores are currently taking orders on GeCube Radeon X1950 Pro for AGP 8x bus graphics cards. The novelty has the same specifications as its PCI Express counterpart: it has fully fledged Radeon X1950 Pro chip onboard, 256MB of GDDR3 memory, two DVI outputs and so on. Given that the code-named RV570 graphics processing unit (GPU) was designed to work with PCI Express bus, the new board is equipped with a special bridge chip to “converts” PCI Express signals into AGP signals.
UK-based Overclockers.co.uk online store is currently offering GeCube Radeon X1950 Pro AGP version for £187.99 ($350) including value added tax (VAT), meanwhile, numerous Germany-based stores offer to preorder the same board for €218 – €242 ($273 - $303).
ATI Technologies said that the AGP 8x version of the Radeon X1950 Pro graphics card was designed by itself and it provided reference designs to the add-in card suppliers. The official recommended price for the part is higher compared to PCI Express version of the product.
The new ATI Radeon X1950 Pro AGP products are likely to become the fastest add-in graphics accelerators for outdated personal computers with AGP 8x slot, but their success on the market is uncertain, as those, who seek for truly high performance graphics cards are very likely to own a computer with a PCI Express x16 slot. This is the first high-performance offering for accelerated graphics port from ATI in two years, as previously the company downplayed the importance of AGP upgrade market.
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What is this fuckin crap?!
Don't they know that agp is dead!
That is D-E-A-D, dead!!!!!!
For you boneheads out there that wants a new gpu riding on the agp interface then you really should go and check out how much computer technology has advanced! Afte rthat then get yourself a new system with PCI Express!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
This is getting to be really really gay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
First PCI x1300 now a AGP x1950?
What's next!?
A ISA version of the 8800GTX?
Great then how abour PCI version to go with that too?
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Posted by: asfioy7ar7 q[-237r5###@Q# $Q@#RFSDFA@Q#!@#Q$#@#$R WERQW
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Date: 10/23/06 11:56:49 AM]
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And yet, retarded clueless tech enthusiast morons like yourself haven't realised that the majority of desktop PC users are still using AGP based systems! Why do you think both Nvidia and ATI still release video cards in AGP form these days?
Despite the marketing hype that most of you folks fall for (very gulliable you all are), AGP isn't dead. If it were why are companies still making AGP cards? eh?
In the real world, over 60% of the computing users out there still use AGP. Abandoning those people is like shooting yourself in the foot. There's still LOTS of money to be made here.
At best, Nvidia and ATI can encourage the use of PCI-Express, but they can't force the consumer to jump ship if the consumer doesn't see major benefits from it.
This is like the slow adoption of High Definition TV in some countries. Most people are perfectly fine with their existing solution. They don't see the point of getting all this new gear.
But I guess none of you have ever run your own business to know what's going on in the real world...
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Posted by: 543543
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Date: 10/25/06 03:18:02 AM]
I was going to UPGRADE MOBO + GPU.
With this I only need to upgrade the GPU.
Do you know that AGP performance is = to PCIe, right?
Don’t get fooled by marketing. PCIE is touted as the next big thing however is going to be replaced by a new version (I don’t know if its compatible with the older) that I bet the new version will deliver 0% to 1% performance increase.
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Posted by: Kaz
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Date: 10/25/06 04:37:55 AM]
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People will buy it, and they will make money - that's why they're doing it. It doesn't hurt you.
For some like myself who have a high end Socket 939 system with an nForce 3 chipset, you still have AGP and this could be a good alternative to doing a full CPU/mobo/memory/video upgrade.
Now I'm not going to buy it, but there is a demand for these types of cards from people who are in a similar situation.
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Posted by: Greg
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Date: 10/23/06 12:59:59 PM]
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upgrading to a new highend agp card won't help since
agp bandwidth is too slow.
4gb/s compare to 8gb/s on PCIe 1.0
and 4gb/s compare to 16gb/s PCIe 2.0
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Posted by: wek
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Date: 10/23/06 01:27:40 PM]
That assumes that the extra bandwith provided is necessary. With large amounts of onboard memory, the bandwidth of the AGP and PCI-Express buses aren't really all that important.
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Posted by: Greg
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Date: 10/24/06 04:52:09 AM]
True. There isn't a game on the market that has maxed out AGP. Not bad for those who don't feel like building a whole new system at this time. If there is a market for it why not supply it. I'm not on the AGP is dead bandwagon.
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Posted by: kenton
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Date: 10/24/06 06:49:06 AM]
And the SUPER FAST AEGIA CO PROCESSOR only needs of 133MB of the PCI bus?
The system bus speed as nothing to do with the card performance.
Or you are one of those stupid guys that say that AMD processor + ATI gpu is impossible because of the 6GB/s bus limitation.
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Posted by: Kaz
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Date: 10/25/06 04:42:19 AM]
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They should just let agp die. its time to move on. if you can buy a agp card like this one you can afford to go to a pcie system.
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Posted by: Smartguy
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Date: 10/23/06 03:33:18 PM]
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I agree, it's time to put the last nail on the agp coffin.
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Posted by: sdre
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Date: 10/23/06 04:40:58 PM]
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AGP had it's life cycle artificially shortened by greedy companies... even the GeForce 7 series was not utilizing AGP bandwidth (2 GB/s) to its maximum...
why are you PCI-e users so angry anyways? it's not like anyone is forcing you to buy it. i have a decent 939 system that can be pushed for a few more years with a CPU and GPU upgrade, so i think this is great news.
what's "gay" is kids whose daddies buy them the newest stuff whenever they cry and wet their pants... i'll be holding onto my AGP slot for a while... keep AGP products coming!
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Posted by: mr_poopyhead
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Date: 10/24/06 07:38:50 PM]
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This isn't us PCI-E user who are angry at you agp users.
We're actually worried about you guys and gals.
What we are worry about is you guys spending so much money
on old stuff that you should go ahead and put that money to good use and that is
to use it on new stuffs. ;)
Also if you do, you can going the dual gpu config bandwagon. :)
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Posted by: hr4
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Date: 10/24/06 08:34:28 PM]
That's the thing. We don't need you to worry about us. In fact, its none of your fucking business what we do to our systems. Whether its downloading hardcore porn, play games at 30fps or less in 1024x768, listen to music, install some other OS, etc. Its our money, and we can chose how we want to spend it.
Do you honestly think people in the real world care for SLI or Crossfire? This multi-GPU business is utter nonsense for the home user. Only gulliable rich enthusiasts are stupid enough to spend money on this kind of thing. Think about it. You buy a dual GPU solution today, in 12 months time, the next generation single GPU will trample all over it without breaking a sweat.
For AGP users, its cheaper to just get a new card or upgrade the CPU where possible. It costs these people more to buy new mobo, CPU, RAM, and a new video card just to adopt PCI-Express standard. (And the current price of RAM is quite high at the moment, so that doesn't help matters).
People aren't gonna upgrade unless there's a really good reason to. If it isn't broken, why fix it?
You shouldn't upgrade something just because its new or someone says so. You should be upgrading when your current system is broken OR it no longer meets your requirements.
Upgrading for the sake of upgrading is for bored rich enthusiasts. This is a very small market...But its a gulliable one. Perfect for our Marketing Teams. ;) (Its great because we can set any price we want, and some dumb SOB is gonna pay for it regardless!)
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Posted by: 543543
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Date: 10/25/06 03:39:53 AM]
So what do we have here?
Another bonehead, yes that's right
another bonehead. What a shame!
Listen it's not using until it's broken or not!
Technologies changes and for computer users it's
better off if we go along with it than to avoid it.
Just look at IDE controllers, they say that hard drives have the max of
133mb/s but in reall world is that true? Of course not, hd's barely go up
to the bandwidth that they are designed to transfer at. And look at right now
SATA has appeared and they are replacing IDE.
If you or other who don't know those new boards with the ICH8/R/DH
cores, they don't support IDEs! Motherboard makers need to realy
on 3rd party controllers to make IDE controllers on their new boards!
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Posted by: redfc
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Date: 10/25/06 06:30:41 AM]
the only reason i use SATA is because
1. cable management
2. no more slave/master nonsense
3. migration to next motherboard will be easy.
in terms of AGP/PCI-e the benefits are merely theoretical....
upgrading for the sake of keeping up is just foolish... my computer has years left in it and it would be in the best interests of ATi/nVidia not to deny a huge chunk of the market upgrade paths...
if you have a rich daddy or lots of disposable income, then that's great... most of the world tries to squeeze out as much life as possible from "old" technology.
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Posted by: mr_poopyhead
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Date: 10/25/06 10:24:47 PM]
Yea man. By the time I'm ready to upgrade, multi threaded games, Quad cores, and DDR3 will be out. : ) I'll upgrade when my machine can no longer play the latest games. I'm not going to build a new machine just because something new came out.
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Posted by: kenton
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Date: 10/26/06 11:34:10 AM]
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Diamond, VisionTek, Sapphire and PowerColor
also have AGP X1950 Pro cards coming out.
The PowerColor has Arctic Cooling's
Accelero X2 silent cooling -
http://www.powercolor.com/global/main_product_series.asp?in t=agp&chp=x1950
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Posted by: Ade
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Date: 10/25/06 03:39:04 AM]
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Many people will buy it. Look at how fast the Leadtek 7600GT AGP sells out. Look at the prices people are paying for the Gainward 7800GT AGP. Heck, even a X1650Pro AGP has started selling.
There are many people with 6x00 AGP cards and a good CPU looking to upgrade.
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Posted by: sumi
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Date: 10/26/06 10:45:05 AM]
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No 7900GS for AGP on the horizon?
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Posted by: Schugy
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Date: 10/28/06 01:54:06 PM]
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Just because my Socket-A system is is old does not mean I want to scrp it.
I look at it like a "Classic" car; Just because my Cherried Out '57 Chevy is old doesn't mean I want to get rid of it and buy a Lexus...
I hope they keep offering upgrades in the AGP platform for some time to come... ;)
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Posted by: wizzard0003
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Date: 10/29/06 11:06:24 AM]
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i happen to be a apg comsumer myself and i cant really afford the price tag for a compleat overhaul of my currant system it just doesnt justifiy the cost right now and i know many others would agree
Currantly upgradeing from radeon 9500 pro to radeon X1600 pro 512meg
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Posted by: darkman
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Date: 10/31/06 12:21:22 PM]
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I am not willing to buy a PCI-E card just cuz it is cheaper than its agp equal, like someone else said earlier, it isnt cheap, its a new mobo, cpu, ram, and then the vid card.. No, i think i will stick with my sock 939 dual core 4200, 2 gig ram, and slap a nice agp card in it.. this will keep my system almost current for a long time to come.. i just notice on my older vid card that i am falling behind and want something with shader 3.0 and more power.. this will satisfy that easily methinks.
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Posted by: deth
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Date: 11/02/06 04:00:50 AM]
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Ok, im not wallowing in money, but when i came across some (through a dead relative) i built a 3300$ Dual-Core multi-GPU SLI system and im GLAD I DID. I wish i had an AGP slot to run my old audigy but oh well, the on-board does me service. It was worth it to me.
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Posted by: Tzimisce
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Date: 11/13/06 04:59:55 AM]
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And what about installing windows on and on while buying a new system. Now I can just change the card and play on. I wait till my rig cannot play the newest games at the lowest settings anymore.
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Posted by: hubhib
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Date: 11/15/06 02:56:21 PM]
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