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The acquisition of ATI Technologies by Advanced Micro Devices obviously would obviously catalyze roadmap changes for both companies, however, at this point no one can tell how exactly plans of the companies are going to change. An analyst from American Technology Research believes that eventually “the new AMD” would scrap the discrete graphics chips business.

“After analysis of the options, we believe AMD could divest the discrete GPU business and still achieve the company’s longer term goal to integrate a CPU and GPU onto a single silicon chip,” said Doug Freedman of American Technology Research in a note to clients.

The analyst believes that the market share for ATI Radeon discrete graphics processing units (GPUs) will be limited to the market share of AMD’s own microprocessors, thus, will not be really large.

“The discrete GPU business working from within AMD will be at a disadvantage to Nvidia and other independent GPU suppliers. ‘AMD’ GPUs will be very closely tied to AMD platforms and limited in the amount of traction they will be able to gain on Intel-based systems,” Mr. Freedman claims.

At this point discrete GPU business accounts for 50% of ATI Technologies’ quarter revenue of about $650 million, whereas core-logic sets account for about 26% of the company’s quarterly sales. ATI Technologies uses graphics cores and other technologies it develops for discrete GPUs in its chipsets and other products. By ceasing to develop leading edge graphics processors, the company may find itself significantly behind rivals and lose its advantages it may have over market leader Intel Corp. However, Mr. Freedman believes that ATI will be difficult to push its multi-GPU technology into the marketplace, which will reduce the company’s potential for success.

“This will be a marketing issue more so than a technical issue. However, it is unlikely that Intel or Nvidia will support CrossFire in their chipsets, thereby reducing the total available market (for ATI). While the performance/enthusiast PC market has been a small but lucrative niche, recent acquisitions of boutique PC suppliers by Dell (Alienware) and HP (VoodooPC) will bring this technology to a wider audience. Neither these large OEMs nor the smaller boutiques want to be bound to a single GPU supplier,” Mr. Freedman claims.

Currently ATI’s multi-GPU technology is supported by chipsets from ATI as well as Intel Corp. or Via Technologies, meanwhile Nvidia’s SLI is only supported by Nvidia’s own chipsets. Nevertheless, AMD will cease to develop ATI’s chipsets for Intel’s microprocessors eventually, whereas Nvidia will continue to create core-logic sets for both AMD and Intel chips.

ExtremeTech web-site further quotes Mr. Freedman as saying that AMD can sign technology licenses for its GPU technology, creating a revenue stream. Finally, ditching the standalone business would lower AMD’s revenue by “only” $1.4 billion while increasing its gross margins to over 50%.

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Discussion started: 10/29/06 01:53:13 PM
Latest comment: 10/31/06 10:22:08 AM
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1. 
This is not cool. I respect ATI's high end gpus's and saw crossfire as a serious threat to sli. Had ATI continued on their path I believe their chipset and mulit gpu soloution would have become the market leader. Their X1900XTX already dominated the single gpu sector in terms of power (not sure about sales) .

With the new R600 ATI would have had an incredibly powerful gpu and had they released RD600 it would have been a great platform to own wether for Intel or AMD.

Now we here that AMD them selves are making ATI do their bidding. It seems the ATI-AMD merger benifts no body except AMD.

AMD wants do an intel by dishing out onboard gpus and weak cpu-gpu technologies which will not be for the high end sector but for the mainstream.

So in the high end all we have left is Nvidia. This is not good for the industry as competition equals faster technolgy refreshs , more advanced technology and better prices. Now Nvidia will be able to relax as they ominate the high end sector.

There will be nothing stopping them from charging what ever they please for the 8800GTX and treat customers how they please.
We will also only ever see new gpu architectures from once a year to every 5 years perhaps if no other company steps up.

I truly hope that ATI tells AMD stuff their ideas and continue building high end gpus and conroe intel chipstes , as without it crossfire becomes crippled in todays climate.
[Posted by: Rob | Date: 10/29/06 01:53:13 PM]
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I would say "mr" Freedman is talking out of his rear.

Smart thing to do for AMD would be to keep making discrete GPUs AND also to keep making chipsets for Intel, the best they can come up with.
That would make their revenue far less "temperamental" according to the faily common shifts in cpu popularity.
[Posted by: DW | Date: 10/29/06 02:11:16 PM]
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3. 
This is complete bull-crap. I really liked ATI and preferred it over nVidia. ATI graphics cards going away is a horrible prospect. Thanks fro screwing the pooch AMD. If you kill ATI I will definitely move to INTEL.
I was hoping that the merger of ATI+AMD really meant something for the high end graphics card market.
I guess not :(. Fuck!
[Posted by: 31415 | Date: 10/29/06 02:50:41 PM]

4. 
Previous posters: This is just what some unrelated guy thinks. No need to take it as gospel. :)
[Posted by: sheh | Date: 10/29/06 04:00:17 PM]
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5. 
I use AMD products because I find them to be of good quality. I have always used ATi because I prefer them since my first PC with stand alone graphics. I really looked forward to the merger in hopes of making both companies better but NOOO, fucking AMD has to fuck it all up with destroying ATI's line of grpahics. Now nVIDIA will dominate and have almost no competition (unless Intel can really do good in stand alone graphics). I am definitely switching to Intel if they do this. Fuck AMD.
[Posted by: Fuck AMD | Date: 10/29/06 07:08:34 PM]
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6. 
Hmm. I wonder what AMD is doing this time. Does not seem like a good idea. They will lose out big time here. ATI will be reduced to a small piece of silicon on a CPU. Great...
[Posted by: eest | Date: 10/29/06 07:10:42 PM]

7. 
Intel Kicks Ass
[Posted by: Intel Kicks Ass | Date: 10/29/06 07:18:09 PM]

8. 
So my guess is that those companies such as Sapphire and PowerColor will switch to nVIDIA?
[Posted by: 13579 | Date: 10/29/06 07:33:01 PM]

9. 
This is completely ridiculous!
AMD was supposed to cut 2000 jobs.
Maybe Intel is behind all those rumors...
[Posted by: Wirmish | Date: 10/29/06 09:01:31 PM]

10. 
Intel/Nvidia not supporting Crossfire? It is ATI that does not support nvidia and most intel chipsets for Crossfire. There is no difference between an Intel PCI-E slot and an ATI PCI-E slot as they are both PCI-E compliant.
[Posted by: sumi | Date: 10/29/06 09:36:27 PM]
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11. 
And people whine their ass off that Intel is evil.

AMD is showing its bad-dark side and it doesn't look any better, tho even worse, than the bs Intel did in the past...

If they really ditch discrete GPU for their crappy cpu-gpu, which I doubt, then we will have a worse situation than when 3dfx died a few years ago making NVidia the *only* company capable of making high-end discrete gfx cards and selling us very expensive and low-mid quality cards.
It's a business, don't think they're here to please you. They just want your money lol
[Posted by: tof | Date: 10/30/06 01:06:19 AM]

12. 
This is just what one analyst thinks AMD will do. No need to get all apocalyptic here people.
[Posted by: The_Starfox | Date: 10/30/06 05:13:28 AM]

13. 
Looks like someone took their idiot pills...
[Posted by: Tarx | Date: 10/30/06 07:17:58 AM]

14. 
Are these really the comments of the analyst, or just a horrible paraphrasing that's been mangled by the Russian->English translation that took place in the author's mind? (no offense intended)

Honestly, that piece jumped from topic to topic with no connecting pieces, it was like reading a story out of order.

The speculation put forth here is without merit, and the conclusions reached seem like those a layman with no knowledge of the industry would conclude. Quite sad that someone is getting paid for this "professional" opinion. I mean, honestly... Concluding that ATI video cards will be constrained to AMD platforms is just ludicrous. There is absolutely no evidence for this, and it goes against all common sense.
[Posted by: ShaidarHaran | Date: 10/30/06 07:39:49 AM]

15. 
I can't beleieve that some idiots are reading that piece as if it is actually going to happen.

It's just what some muppet brain thinks...

... and believing it puts you in the same muppet brain category.
[Posted by: moi | Date: 10/30/06 08:54:31 AM]

16. 
By the way, take a look at overclockers .com comments about this idiot - "Clearly, this guy has a major problem with ATI video cards, and he's not going to let anything like contrary facts or consistency or financial sense stop him. You'd think a rogue Radeon wiped out his family (or at least his gaming clan) once, and he wants revenge."
[Posted by: Tarx | Date: 10/30/06 11:13:40 AM]
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17. 
The way this guy talks you'd think he believes all PCs are pure proprietary with no industry-standard interconncets. I wonder if he ever heard of a PCI-E slot? Sure, that applies to the high-end dual card stuff (although in reality that's purely marketing not a technical issue) but those are a small percentage of the market. Anaylsts like this are just worthless.
[Posted by: Madman | Date: 10/30/06 01:17:06 PM]

18. 
Now you know why ANALysts are not the ones to count on for investing advice!

Why would AMD want to offload ATI's highly profitable descrete graphics product line when it generates bucket loads of CASH?

Ferchrissake will some one buy the FOOLS on Wall Street a CLUE.
[Posted by: Bornfree | Date: 10/30/06 02:24:51 PM]

19. 
Everyone is freaking out over nothing. Apparently none of you have read AMD/ATI's Strategic Vision Presentation. AMD has always been about advancing technology. Think about all of the things that AMD has started over the last five years, that the mighty Intel said they would never implement, and magically they follow on AMD's coat tails. I will leave you with one comment from the Presentation...

Innovation: Consumer Electronics and Graphics
"Maintain and Extend our leadership in discrete graphics"

That right there is straight from the mouth of AMD and and that sounds to me like The Radeon series will be here for a long time to come! And as far as the AMD/ATI merger, I like the fact that my two favorite companies for graphics and processors are now one!!
[Posted by: Nehtor | Date: 10/30/06 03:50:56 PM]
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20. 
That's the most retarded thing I have ever heard.

Why would AMD acquire ATi to expand its market into discreet graphics and then ditch discreet graphics altogether? An integrated CPU/GPU? Thats a far off idea and is not the reason these two corporations merged- they merged in order to cover a larger market- now AMD will supply chipsets and graphics cards in addition to CPUs.

The integrated CPU/GPU seems to be much more of an experiment now, to see how well such an idea might work.
[Posted by: Zack | Date: 10/31/06 10:22:08 AM]

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